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Marbury v. Madison: Was the 1789 Judiciary act actually unconstitutional?
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Posted on 03/10/2018 9:57:22 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica

In part 1 of this series, I asked one very simple question: Are progressives telling the truth about Marbury?

In part 2, I examined the gap between the activist cases of the early-mid 1900s and the 1803 ruling.

In part 3, the negative and positive aspects of how the Marbury ruling functioned were examined.

Here in part 4, we will look at the constitution and look at the judiciary act.

Since we know that progressives don't tell the truth about anything, then we have to start from square one. Why this is important, is progressives have long linked judicial activism to Marbury as the home of every scheme they've devised, but the more I look into it, the less I can see this is true. I'm quite certain you won't conclude that the progressives are being honest either. Why would anybody ever conclude that?

There are three major pieces here. First, here is section 13 of the judiciary act:

SEC . 13. And be it further enacted, That the Supreme Court shall have exclusive jurisdiction of all controversies of a civil nature, where a state is a party, except between a state and its citizens; and except also between a state and citizens of other states, or aliens, in which latter case it shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction. And shall have exclusively all such jurisdiction of suits or proceedings against ambassadors, or other public ministers, or their domestics, or domestic servants, as a court of law can have or exercise consistently with the law of nations; and original, but not exclusive jurisdiction of all suits brought by ambassadors, or other public ministers, or in which a consul, or vice consul, shall be a party. And the trial of issues in fact in the Supreme Court, in all actions at law against citizens of the United States, shall be by jury. The Supreme Court shall also have appellate jurisdiction from the circuit courts and courts of the several states, in the cases herein after specially provided for; and shall have power to issue writs of prohibition to the district courts, when proceeding as courts of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, and writs of mandamus, in cases warranted by the principles and usages of law, to any courts appointed, or persons holding office, under the authority of the United States.

Then, here is a portion of article III, Sec. 2:

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Finally, William Marbury filed his claim straight to the Supreme Court under section 13.

It does appear to me that the 1789 act grants extra-constitutional powers in regard to mandamus. That puts congress in the wrong here. It does not benefit the liberty of the people to have any branch of government stepping outside of its constitutional bounds, be it the courts, congress, or the president.

Understanding the constitution as well as the judiciary act itself does not vindicate judge Marshall. Maybe to you it does, but that's not why I'm doing this. Progressives use the courts to create new legislation in a positive way, wheras Marshall did no such thing. The constitution does not, in fact, give the legislature the right to say that the courts can originate mandamus.

That would require an amendment. Congress does not have the ability to amend the constitution on its own by simple legislation and neither do the courts. Looking at the text of what Marshall actually wrote, that was not his intent nor his result. The progressives have indeed pulled a fast one here.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 1789judiciaryact; judiciary; madison; marbury; progressingamerica

1 posted on 03/10/2018 9:57:22 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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To: nicollo; Kalam; IYAS9YAS; laplata; mvonfr; Southside_Chicago_Republican; celmak; SvenMagnussen; ...

Ping...........


2 posted on 03/10/2018 9:57:55 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Congress does not have the ability to amend the constitution on its own by simple legislation and neither do the courts.

Roe v. Wade and Øbamacare would suggest otherwise...

3 posted on 03/10/2018 10:15:40 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
The judiciary of the United States has always overstepped its bounds, from the very beginning. These "jurists" saw the vague language used in the Constitution to spell out the courts and simply appropriated as much power to themselves as they could. And, they've been doing step-by-step ever since.

Article Three should be completely rewritten with much firmer language to rein in the power hungry judiciary we have today.

4 posted on 03/10/2018 10:34:51 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Just an aside for further consideration:

I would point out that after having justified the obligation to review in order to decide for the Constitution only on the basis of the oath of office, saying that to require a justice to take such an oath and yet close his eyes to the Constitution and see only the statutory laws would be worse than a solemn mockery, that Marshall actually, expressly notes that officials in other departments take the same oath.

Other departments: Congress or the President

So what is it to require those to close their eyes to the Constitution and see only the opinions of the Court?

I would also point out two more things.

Firstly that an obligation that only arises because of a requirement for fidelity, faithfulness is not a power to engage in unfaithfulness, to make shit up as they go along as the modern Court has done.

Secondly, the Original Right to make Law is necessary to determine meaning because it can actually be easier to demonstrate what those who ratified the Constitution agreed to, or were led to believe they were agreeing to, than to play the game of writer’s intent that the so-called “progressives” have learned to abuse so well.

For example, the issue with the so-called general welfare clause. It should be an observation too obvious to have to make that when Hamilton wrote of this as an excuse to spend on objects besides those actually delegated for it was AFTER ratification, when he was serving as an official in a government enacted by the Constitution. When he opined is of vital importance because his opinion given after ratification cannot be said to have formed any basis for what those who ratified may be said to have agreed to.

Before ratification of the Constitution, Hamilton made no such claim. Indeed he made a stirring defense of the absolute nature of the doctrine of delegated powers to argue against the subsequent ratification of the Bill of Rights. He certainly did not disagree with Madison when he (Madison) wrote in response to charges by antifederalist concerning this language before ratification.

Moreover, examine what the antifederalist were saying: in characterizing the very use of the language that Hamilton would later adopt as abuses of same language they showed that they too understood what those advising those with the power to ratify were saying ... that the purpose of the language is only to qualify the power to tax, not to grant plenary powers to spend for the “general welfare”.

It is clear then that those who agreed to ratify agreed to this understanding, not the abuse. If Hamilton privately held a contrary views is meaningless for Hamilton was not Sovereign to make Law from the Constitution. That power belonged to the States assembled.

As an official in the government speaking up later, after ratification, contradicting what he and others had said before ratification, Hamilton spoke out of turn, he opined spuriously.

Ratification is like that moment in a wedding when the minister invites folks to speak now or forever hold their peace ... Hamilton waited till after the vows had been taken and should have kept his views to himself rather than engage in / advocate lawlessness.


5 posted on 03/10/2018 10:45:41 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: rockrr

Ah, but arrogation and abrogation are two entirely separate things.

Arrogation, or acting apart from lawful Authority, is what the modern progressives have wrought.

They do, therefore they can, is essentially all they know about governance by constitutional means. They are creatures of Arbitrary government, everything we became a nation to avoid in the first place.

The federal government was not to be a Sovereign able to decide for itself by the ordinary means at its disposal what its powers are. It is a creature of the Law that authorizes it and nothing more. Or at least it should be nothing more.


6 posted on 03/10/2018 10:56:51 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Judge Marshall should have been tarred & feathered over Marbury.


7 posted on 03/10/2018 12:26:05 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Precedent, the act of writing an opinion that becomes part of the law, that is the problem. The law is the law, opinions are like rectums everyone has one.

Lawyers should be abolished and anyone advocating for one should be declared a lawyer and be summarily executed.

We simply do not need craftily written laws, or crafty interpreters of the same. It is a curse given to us by Kings, and it should have been discarded along with the King of England.


8 posted on 03/10/2018 12:33:13 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Max Tactical

Write the law clearly. Only the facts need to be argued, not the meaning of the law. You have a panel of judges drawn randomly from voting citizens. They cannot do any worse. If you need help expressing yourself, get someone who is better at speaking or writing. You won’t have to pay them any more than $30 an hour I am betting. Lawyers are versed in manipulation, not in truth.


10 posted on 03/15/2018 8:12:54 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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