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The octane game: Auto industry lobbies for 95 as new regular
Automotive News ^ | April 17, 2018 @ 11:00 am | Richard Truett

Posted on 04/18/2018 3:40:59 PM PDT by outofsalt

"GM, Ford and Fiat Chrysler are seeking just one grade of fuel: 95. That would eliminate today's grades, generally 87 octane for regular, 88-90 for midgrade and 91-94 for premium." "In testimony Friday before the House Energy and Commerce Committee's environment subcommittee, Dan Nicholson, General Motors' vice president of global propulsion systems, said making 95 octane the new regular aligns the U.S. with Europe and is one of the most affordable ways to boost fuel economy and lower greenhouse gas emissions."

(Excerpt) Read more at autonews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel
KEYWORDS: gas
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To: RegulatorCountry

Mr. mm put a power inverter in my vehicle. We can use it for traveling and if need be a generator with a 16 gallon gas tank attached.


81 posted on 04/18/2018 5:39:58 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: PAR35
“In the 1960s, Regular was 94 octane, and premium was 100. A few companies sold a mid grade at about 97.
There weren’t any Sunoco stations around my part of the world, but my recollection was they had a ‘pick your blend’ pump with 5 or so choices.”

Indeed, you're pretty much correct on that. Sunoco (Sun Oil then) patented the blending valve located in the pump used to create the gasoline output with different octane numbers. The filling station had 2 storage tanks, 81 and 105 octane rating as I recall. There was a dial on the pump and you selected 81, 85, 89, 93 or 105 octane IIRC.

One of my uncles (a mechanical engineer out of Oklahoma A&M) designed the mixing valve. After WWII, he finished his degree at OK A&M then worked for Sun Oil until retiring in the mid-70’s. After the Normandy breakout, he was a replacement paratrooper into the 101st Airborne. Fought in the Battle of the Bulge through VE Day.

82 posted on 04/18/2018 5:43:37 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: outofsalt

I just read the first sentence and already I know it is a way to soak more money out of the many people who just need ‘regular’.

Meanwhile, I was disappointed to hear Trump talking about going to 15% ethanol. I know he wants to get re-elected, but that’s entirely headed in the wrong direction.

Crony capitalism is crony capitalism.


83 posted on 04/18/2018 5:44:03 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: outofsalt

Raising octane is the next cheapest way to get better fuel economy. I’ve always thought mid-grade a waste of effort.

Get rid of ethanol
Have two grades
Drop the CAFE bs

But no, we are going to end up having some corporate big shot and a bunch of pea brain gimmedat politicians tell us what is good for us.


84 posted on 04/18/2018 5:56:13 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: metmom

Prius? I’ve heard of people doing that.


85 posted on 04/18/2018 6:02:28 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Hootowl99

Sunoco advertised getting some of “that 260 action”. There was a setting or selector on the pumps for that. Have no idea what claimed octane it was. Circa 1973.


86 posted on 04/18/2018 6:04:20 PM PDT by EMI_Guy ("You have to slow down to go fast." - Kenny Roberts)
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To: RegulatorCountry

No. Just a very handy husband. He added it himself.


87 posted on 04/18/2018 6:07:25 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

Oh, probably a secondary alternator like welders use, running off the serpentine belt.


88 posted on 04/18/2018 6:09:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Carl Vehse; yarddog
“What is not stated is whether the gasoline industry can sufficiently convert 87 Octane to make enough 95-Octane gasoline.....”

Convert is not quite the right word. Gasoline is a blended mixture of several major components and lessor amounts of certain additives. See yarddog’s post 25 for a description of this.

As far as refining capacity, the major components are probably fine as-is capacity wise for the switch to a single high octane grade. The lessor components such as alkylate could require capacity expansions. Refinery process pros would know better than I on this.

One driver for this is that the trend in engines is to lower displacement, supercharged and turbocharged engines operating at higher compressions that require the higher octane to generate their maximum HP/torque and fuel economy. A second driver is to simplify the tangled mess of octane blends, summer/winter blends and regional blends that create a logistical hell for refiners and distribution and in turn increases cost to the consumer.

89 posted on 04/18/2018 6:09:49 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: RegulatorCountry

Maybe?

But that’s all his department.


90 posted on 04/18/2018 6:15:44 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: outofsalt; Carl Vehse; yarddog
My oops...

This is outofsalt with the nice info in post 25.

91 posted on 04/18/2018 6:18:00 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: datura

More lift, longer duration, sounds like fun!


92 posted on 04/18/2018 6:24:22 PM PDT by going hot (happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: outofsalt

My Dad’s XKE ran on 102 Octane.

Only.


93 posted on 04/18/2018 6:25:32 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Lurker

How about 100 low lead?


94 posted on 04/18/2018 6:31:13 PM PDT by shawnlaw
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To: RegulatorCountry

I drive a 286 bhp 2 litre coupe and use 98 octane. Car will run fine on 95 octane. However, 98 octane makes a big difference in performance, mileage, and smoothness. Once a year I have the fuel system treated with a professional cleaning fuel - makes a helluva difference.


95 posted on 04/18/2018 6:41:34 PM PDT by .44 Special (Tiamid Buarsh)
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To: .44 Special

One of my favorite calibers.

L


96 posted on 04/18/2018 6:42:52 PM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: outofsalt

It would reduce cost producing 1 grade instead of multiple grades. No clue if that would be passed on to the consumer.


97 posted on 04/18/2018 6:52:32 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: backwoods-engineer

European gas costs are driven by exorbitant taxes. It has nothing to do with formulation.


98 posted on 04/18/2018 6:54:00 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: generally

Yes, I would get 10% better gas mileage without the 10% ethanol in my tank, which is inert from a fuel perspective. It doesn’t provide any energy for my engine. It is just filler. Kill the ethanol and I would get 10% better gas mileage.

Liberals don’t want us to get better mileage.


99 posted on 04/18/2018 6:55:36 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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To: yarddog

Trivia: Jimmy Doolittle was responsible for creating of 100 octane aviation fuel in WWII. Shell produced it, but Doolittle envisioned and demanded it.


100 posted on 04/18/2018 7:01:07 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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