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CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public (of course not)
Reason ^ | 20 Apr 2018 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 04/21/2018 11:54:47 AM PDT by Politically Correct

Many people who support gun control are angry that the federal Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are not legally allowed to use money from Congress to do research whose purpose is "to advocate or promote gun control." (This is not the same as doing no research into gun violence, though it seems to discourage many potential recipients of CDC money.)

But in the 1990s, the CDC itself did look into one of the more controversial questions in gun social science: How often do innocent Americans use guns in self-defense, and how does that compare to the harms guns can cause in the hands of violent criminals?

Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck conducted the most thorough previously known survey data on the question in the 1990s. His study, which has been harshly disputed in pro-gun-control quarters, indicated that there were more than 2.2 million such defensive uses of guns (DGUs) in America a year.

Now Kleck has unearthed some lost CDC survey data on the question. The CDC essentially confirmed Kleck's results. But Kleck didn't know about that until now, because the CDC never reported what it found.

Kleck's new paper—"What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?"—finds that the agency had asked about DGUs in its Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System in 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Those polls, Kleck writes, are high-quality telephone surveys of enormous probability samples of U.S. adults, asking about a wide range of health-related topics. Those that addressed DGU asked more people about this topic than any other surveys conducted before or since. For example, the 1996 survey asked the DGU question of 5,484 people. The next-largest number questioned about DGU was 4,977 by Kleck and Gertz (1995), and sample sizes were much smaller in all the rest of surveys on the topic (Kleck 2001).

Kleck was impressed with how well the survey worded its question: "During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?" Respondents were told to leave out incidents from occupations, like policing, where using firearms is part of the job. Kleck is impressed with how the question excludes animals but includes DGUs outside the home as well as within it.

Kleck is less impressed with the fact that the question was only asked of people who admitted to owning guns in their home earlier in the survey, and that they asked no follow-up questions regarding the specific nature of the DGU incident.

From Kleck's own surveys, he found that only 79 percent of those who reported a DGU "had also reported a gun in their household at the time of the interview," so he thinks whatever numbers the CDC found need to be revised upward to account for that. (Kleck speculates that CDC showed a sudden interest in the question of DGUs starting in 1996 because Kleck's own famous/notorious survey had been published in 1995.)

At any rate, Kleck downloaded the datasets for those three years and found that the "weighted percent who reported a DGU...was 1.3% in 1996, 0.9% in 1997, 1.0% in 1998, and 1.07% in all three surveys combined."

Kleck figures if you do the adjustment upward he thinks necessary for those who had DGU incidents without personally owning a gun in the home at the time of the survey, and then the adjustment downward he thinks necessary because CDC didn't do detailed follow-ups to confirm the nature of the incident, you get 1.24 percent, a close match to his own 1.326 percent figure.

He concludes that the small difference between his estimate and the CDC's "can be attributed to declining rates of violent crime, which accounts for most DGUs. With fewer occasions for self-defense in the form of violent victimizations, one would expect fewer DGUs."

Kleck further details how much these CDC surveys confirmed his own controversial work: The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)....CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.

For those who wonder exactly how purely scientific CDC researchers are likely to be about issues of gun violence that implicate policy, Kleck notes that "CDC never reported the results of those surveys, does not report on their website any estimates of DGU frequency, and does not even acknowledge that they ever asked about the topic in any of their surveys."

NPR revisited the DGU controversy last week, with a thin piece that backs the National Crime Victimization Survey's lowball estimate of around 100,000 such uses a year. NPR seemed unaware of those CDC surveys.

For a more thorough take, see my 2015 article "How to Count the Defensive Use of Guns." That piece more thoroughly explains the likely reasons why the available DGU estimates differ so hugely.

However interesting attempts to estimate the inherently uncountable social phenomenon of innocent DGUs (while remembering that defensive gun use generally does not mean defensive gun firing, indeed it likely only means that less than a quarter of the time), when it comes to public policy, no individual's right to armed self-defense should be up for grabs merely because a social scientist isn't convinced a satisfyingly large enough number of other Americans have defended themselves with a gun.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: government; guncontrol; guns
Probably posted elsewhere but search did not find it.
1 posted on 04/21/2018 11:54:47 AM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: Politically Correct

Good find!

I haven’t seen this previously anywhere.


2 posted on 04/21/2018 12:38:17 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: What would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: Politically Correct

After conducting many operational tests for the military, writing dozens of reports, editing hundreds more, and giving professional advice (on request) to many more agencies and analysts conducting studies on public health, public safety, and related security topics, I cannot help but be puzzled as to why CDC (and a great many other health-care professionals including MDs) are so interested in poking their noses into this topic at all: social “maladies” like crime have nothing to do with issues of sanitation and infectious disease.

They strike me as intellectually dishonest ... full of unseemly ambition to move outside their defined specialties and stage the equivalent of an imperialistic “takeover” of other realms of research. Or perhaps the terms “palace coup” might describe their actions more accurately.


3 posted on 04/21/2018 12:42:14 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: schurmann

I believe that it was the Obama administration that tasked them with the research. Unfortunately they tasked an honest researcher to do the study. Didn’t like the findings so just buried the report.


4 posted on 04/21/2018 5:42:27 PM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Politically Correct

Thanks, also have not seen previously.


5 posted on 04/21/2018 8:43:50 PM PDT by PsyCon
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To: Politically Correct

“I believe that it was the Obama administration that tasked them with the research. Unfortunately they tasked an honest researcher...” [Politically Correct, post 4]

The Obama administration was not guilty, not in this case.

Gary Kleck was the first modern social-science researcher to tackle the question of estimating use of firearm usage rates by private citizens to deter or foil criminal acts. If memory serves, he published his first conclusions in the early to mid 1990s.

Forum members who have not worked for nor with official agencies have difficulty appreciating the level of groupthink that can prevail in such organizations. Somewhat related to the advances made by the Left, in taking over academic institutions. But the mindset in officialdom can alight on any topic, not just Leftist preoccupations.


6 posted on 04/22/2018 9:12:27 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: Politically Correct

He’s referencing a Clinton era study.


7 posted on 04/22/2018 1:33:00 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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