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China no longer wants to handle our trash.
1 posted on 05/30/2018 3:41:04 AM PDT by Haiku Guy
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The best-laid plans of Democrats and liberals often go astray.


2 posted on 05/30/2018 3:45:42 AM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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So WE should be making the crap they used to make with our own crap.

What's the problem ?

3 posted on 05/30/2018 3:46:03 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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I’m tired of being an unpaid trash sorter to make others feel good about themselves.


4 posted on 05/30/2018 3:46:18 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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The religion of recycling is not what it seems, lol.


5 posted on 05/30/2018 3:50:28 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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The last I heard the same was true of paper- the demand is very low so much of that set aside for recycling is sent to the landfill anyway.


8 posted on 05/30/2018 3:54:09 AM PDT by OldNukeDaddy
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PBS had this covered 25 years ago when they traced plastic that was ‘recycled’ by Americans going to Taiwan on huge ships, where it was burned for fuel.

This is NOTHING NEW.


10 posted on 05/30/2018 4:00:05 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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I have been told by a knowledgeable engineer that all our trash powers a large power generating plant 1 county over. Yet we have to ‘play’ with our garbage. Which I don’t do. We’re allowed to use black opaque bags. Which I use.


11 posted on 05/30/2018 4:01:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you)
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Some years back our local paper published a story revealing that the volume of recyclables trucked to the county recycling facility exceeded the capacity of the facility.

So a good portion of the recyclables are then re-trucked from the recycling facility to the solid waste facility and end up buried in the county land fill.

But the county government was still spending money promoting increased residential recycling.


13 posted on 05/30/2018 4:05:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals Voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall !")
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I have always steadfastly refused to recycle.

It is against my principles to give away raw materials for free.


14 posted on 05/30/2018 4:24:40 AM PDT by papertyger (IÂ’m watching what happens to Tommy Robinson.)
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not much recycleing happens here despite the fancy transfer station.

The self righteous dutifully wash out their mikl container. and hand in their bottles and cans.

all of it goes to the burner, but lefties don’t want to face that truth.

Also forcing people to do the will of the state in small matters in their lives makes it easier to make them do more and more... think about it

when gas prices are low cardboard gets recycled

otherwise it is metal and electronics.

nothing else.


15 posted on 05/30/2018 4:31:29 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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Other communities, like Grants Pass, Ore., home to about 37,000 people, are continuing to encourage their residents to recycle as usual, but the materials are winding up in landfills anyway. Local waste managers said they were concerned that if they told residents to stop recycling, it could be hard to get them to start again.

So residents are charged more to pay for separate pickup of "recyclables", they waste hot water washing out plastic containers, sort them out to the proper bins, then it all ends up in the same place at the dump.

The recycling company wins with a fat city contract. The city wins with higher collection fees. Well, two out of three ain't bad.

16 posted on 05/30/2018 4:47:39 AM PDT by Flick Lives (Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation.)
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We “casually” recycle. We have a separate bin, which we pay extra for from our collection company.

We are going to quit, though.... after noticing that BOTH bins go in the same truck in the same way.

A lot of “recycling” programs are just eco-scams.


17 posted on 05/30/2018 4:51:21 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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“Still, across much of the United States, including most major cities, recycling is continuing as usual.”

The article is wrong on that statement and how it is wrong also means the article’s focus on mainly China as the cause of the recycling problem misses what is really wrong, and not merely in the U.S. Pacific Northwest - OVER SUPPLY of goods put out for recycling that in many places now exceed what the end-users of the material can use.

Collectors and distributors of goods disposed of for recycling are finding they cannot get as much for the goods because supply is so much the buyers of the material won’t pay what they use to. Some municipalities are facing higher recycling charges needed to keep their recycling process in business. Even then, expect more landfill dumping of goods put out for recycling.

The good thing of recycling is being done more than ever now, and done so much that many more buyers of the material cannot use all collectors can deliver. They won’t pay the collectors what they use to, so the revenue vs profit margins of the collectors is shrinking, and to some the recycling has become not worth it. Cheaper to not do it at all, no extra loads to pick up on different days, pretending you’ll get your monies worth selling it - just take it to the landfill with the regular garbage.


18 posted on 05/30/2018 4:59:15 AM PDT by Wuli
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I remember watching the local news out of Philly back in the 1980s. The news heads got word that some recyclers were dumping old newspaper and phone books in the landfill. The news chicks were at the landfill ready to pounce on them. One driver said to the little news girl: "lady,if you find somebody who is buying this stuff I'll bring it there." End of the story.
19 posted on 05/30/2018 4:59:53 AM PDT by 4yearlurker ("There stands mother under the oleanders,open the windows." A dying cowboys last words,1879.)
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Back in the days when we used to get newspapers delivered to our house, we would dutifully collect them. When our storage area was filled, we would load them in the car, and cart them to the recycling center. One day I estimated that the cost to us and society of doing this far exceeded the value gained. So we stopped this and all other recycling, and would joke that we were doing our duty to "sequester carbon" by burying carbon (newspapers) in the landfill.

Nowadays, on each "garbage day" TWO garbage trucks come polluting through our neighborhood, one for garbage, and one for recycling. Those neighbors who actually pay extra for this "privilege" park TWO garbage cans in front of their houses, one proudly colored green. The reason for this extra payment is, of course, that the cost to society for this far exceeds the value, so the true believers must pay.

I simply feel sorry for those in a municipality who get this for "free", often have no knowledge of the true cost.

26 posted on 05/30/2018 5:53:57 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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A friend gave me a home burned DVD of the Penn and Teller BS episode on Recycling.

I was a Seattle area strident recycler until I watched that and did some follow up research. I’ve not recycled since. Done.

If I went through a lot of aluminum cans, I would recycle those, but I don’t, so I don’t.


27 posted on 05/30/2018 5:54:38 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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I’m of the opinion that the manufacturers should go back to a biodegradable and glass . I am a little older and saw plastics work it’s way into the system . Don’t get me wrong their are excellent uses for plastics/bubble packs and the litany of other products , but I always look at items as to what I can use it for so as not to have a mountain of trash . Incinerate all trash and generate electrical power as many plants do across the nation and having landfills is not a bad thing ....just need to keep an eye on what you dump . So just go back to glass which is always worth recycling and metal tins for cans etc...the non-biodegradable (or the ones that take awhile) packages are what needs to be avoided . I even get my meats wrapped in paper IMAGINE that?


33 posted on 05/30/2018 6:05:10 AM PDT by mythenjoseph
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What is this ‘recycling’ thing y’all are speaking of? Is it the same as I do with my burn barrels once or twice a week?


35 posted on 05/30/2018 6:08:03 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Apparently I voted demoncrat for 40 years. They all wore 'R' jerseys! 'R'atpublicans!)
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Aluminum and steel cans probably get recycled as does some paper and cardboard, but glass in many areas probably doesn’t and plastics are also doubtful. I have greatly reduced my waste by not subscribing to any liberal ragsheet newspapers or magazines.


41 posted on 05/30/2018 7:34:20 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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And this is relatively old news too. China has been rejecting our plastics for quite a while - at least three years now.


45 posted on 05/30/2018 8:04:59 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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