Posted on 06/05/2018 12:00:13 AM PDT by Norski
Of course this is theoretical. Of Course.
Unlikely. Dogs don’t have thumbs.
I don’t know what happens to pet animal poisoners who throw poison onto someone’s property in cities, but out here, trespassing and poisoning someone’s animal on their property, whether it is livestock or a pet is a crime-most of us have game cams on/near our fences/gates-if caught you will get jail time, as well as the animal’s owner suing the living s*** out of you-and in rural places like this, everyone knows/sees everything that goes on, so if you are not caught on camera, you will likely be the recipient of something called “frontier justice”-and no one will have seen a thing, if asked. A disgusting thing like poisoning someone’s animal on their private property is right up there with livestock theft and game poaching-none of it is tolerated out here...
What is done in your area when dogs harass, injure, or kill livestock?
The neighbor across the street did call them. Results: Bupkis. He ended up spending 8 grand putting up a huge fence so his babies could play outside. This wasn’t a suppose situation. I just said suppose to keep it real. Some dogs need to be put down. It boils down to that. EVEN Peta puts down hyper-aggressive dogs. Their damned owners need to be put down too. Very few dogs have mental problems at birth. Not raising them right puts them on a path to destruction. Think David Hoggs parents raised that fascistic little s right?
A 4ft fence isn’t a fence at all if you own an animal, even chickens-it is a lawn decoration-6 ft. and more is a real fence. As long as your neighbor’s animals are inside their fence, you can’t screw with them-and since the fines out here for loose animals are horrendous, I can’t remember the last time a roaming dog bit someone, or they were attacked by a loose rooster, llama or cow-those last two can be fatal. Fines for a loose dog start at $500.00 per occurrence- livestock as high as $5000-that keeps even stupid people responsible.
The bully-breed terriers like American Staffordshires, American Pitbulls are not seen much out here-the bigger working bully-breeds-like American Bulldogs, Bullmastiffs, and Mastiffs of all kinds are preferred, along with the guarding/working dogs like Rotties, Chows, German Shepherds, Dobies, Great Pyrenees, etc. My Siberian Husky was one of the smaller dogs around here at 84 lbs. Her breed is on that bad dog list, along with all the others I mentioned-yet we do not have biting incidents like those rampant in crowded cities-possibly because people know what personal responsibility and proper dog training means-poisoning someone else’s animal on their property is still a crime, and a reprehensible act that shows a disregard and lack of respect for the property of others...
Absolutely. God forbid that anyone should do something so dasterdly and against the law, even if it is to protect the lives of his or her loved ones. Myself, I won't even kill rattlesnakes on my property unless they bite someone first.
You may wish to milk the rattlesnake first. I understand that there is a shortage of anti-venom at this time.
If no livestock is harmed, the owner gets a trespassing fine on the dogs, in addition to the $500.00 per dog for an unleashed/unconfined animal. If a property owner catches a neighbor’s dog harassing or attacking livestock inside their fence, they can kill the dog without consequence-a tragedy for the dog, but maybe the negligent owner will leatn something. BTW, that hasn’t happened here in 3 years, and that incident involved 2 Treeing Walker hounds that brought down a full grown Barbados ram-and were shot by the property owner. They had been let out to run from the cabin of an idiot tourist staying on the river-the tourist was calling-the-sheriff-pissed, but was told it is frontier justice out here when it comes to property rights. I can’t imagine letting my dog out in an unfenced, strange area in the 1st place-recipe for disaster-and he still had to pay the owner of the ram for the animal and damages...
If livestock is injured or killed, the livestock owner can also sue for the value of the animal-now you are talking big bucks, complete with legal fees-the kind of money that can wipe out a person who is not wealthy. There are no wealthy people for miles out here...
Rattlesnakes, along with any other venomous snake-copperhead, coral snake, etc-are offed here-too many chickens for them to kill and livestock for them to bite-that gets expensive, and there is the danger of humans and pets being bitten. Rattlesnakes are not wasted by me or mine, either-the rattles and skins sell well to tourists for belts and hat ornaments, and marinated rattlesnake grilled over mesquite or hickory wood is a delicacy I never turn down...
Shooting the animal harassing or harming livestock or people is also codified in at least one other state of which I am aware. I believe this to be the case in many areas, but have not yet researched it.
If anyone would care to state their local laws - with statute numbers, please - it may be of interest to all who visit this thread.
I’ll look for a copy of the statutes in this particular county, since they vary from county to county-the rules seem to be tougher and more favorable to the property and/or animal owner in rural counties like this one because of all the livestock that is a big part of people’s income in rural areas.
We have snowbirds from up North residing here in RVs and cabins from October to late March/early April, and then the weekenders and day trippers in Summer. The snowbirds are responsible and respectful of everyone in this community-they keep their pets confined-but the weekenders and day trippers trespass on our properties, climbing fences, ignoring signs, their unleashed dogs running up and down the roads, getting over/under fences etc-they are the biggest problem-with less manners than their dogs...
My post was intended as a tweak at the post suggesting using a fire extinguisher.
I have a hard time visualizing carrying a fire extinguisher for protection against a pit bull?
Maybe IWB holster for fire extinguishers is the next big fashion must have.
Some of my comments are tongue firmly-in-cheek.
However, regarding fire extinguishers - One can purchase small single-use FEs now, app 2.5” in diameter and about 8” high, about the size of a can of spray paint, with a finger-pull trigger. And a holster. Could come in handy for runners, etc.
The fire extinguisher as a defense for dog attacks I presume was discovered by firemen who needed to get into a burning building, or were being attacked while attempting to give aid. It may work up to three ways - the powder or foam as a surprise, the sound which resembles a snake, or most important - spraying the nose and mouth to render the dog unable to breath without letting go of its victim. There do exist vids of firemen driving off dogs with FEs.
And as for the small personal FEs upon which I just commented, I now wonder if spray-paint or aerosol hairspray would function in the same manner.
I would rather carry a dog extinguisher.
It also serves as a bad guy extinguisher.
As well as a bear extinguisher.
You don't quit then, you start yelling louder.
Yes, the county or town is responsible for making laws and enforcing them.
Your responsibility is to see they do enforce them rigorously and effectively.
The individual citizen is the basis of everything, don't shirk your responsibility to your community.
Your neighbor might be safe behind his $8,000 fence but what about the rest of your community?
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