Posted on 06/10/2018 6:27:49 AM PDT by savedbygrace
Suicide is in the news lately. Many people have been committing suicide in recent years.
We are told the way to reduce that trend is to get in touch with people who isolate themselves.
That can help, but most people won't do it for a simple reason: they don't know what to say and even if they did, most people do not not to confront someone about a serious problem.
I think it might help some to know what they can say that is not a confrontation, so I offer this method that I will be trying to do more often:
Observe the people I know specifically looking for good reasons to sincerely compliment them, to give them a fine reputation to live up to. To give them sincere reasons to see themselves in a more positive light.
A lot of people who commit suicide leave notes that say nobody cares about them, and that they think they're worthless.
I want to demonstrate to people that's not true.
>>She is neither strong nor brave. She is entitled. No one should have to bury a child but that doesn’t give one a free pass on simple gratitude.
I agree, but the point was that people don’t take compassion as an act of simple compassion anymore. They demand the exact compassion that they feel entitled to and if you don’t provide, then you become a cold villain to them.
Of course, if you have an hour or two, you can do it right: start a conversation, let them bring it around to their point of pain, listen actively, do not offer solutions but extend empathy, etc, etc, etc. Some people can do that. But some people fix things. I’m a fixer, so I avoid people who don’t want fixing.
The problem is that people with mental illness don’t believe that family and friends care for them.
They also refuse to get treatment.
My son has bipolar and is refusing treatment. He’s living in our home, and I’m going to kick him out.
You and your family have my prayers. Please seek help and don’t stop seeking help. What works for one person will not for another. There are many things now showing promise, and not all treatment is the same or even close.
“Emerson died on 11 March 2016 in Santa Monica, California, of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.[7][8][9]
His body was found at his Santa Monica home.[100] Following an autopsy, the medical examiner ruled Emerson’s death a suicide, and concluded that he had also suffered from heart disease and from depression associated with alcohol.[7][101]
According to Emerson’s girlfriend Mari Kawaguchi, Emerson had become “depressed, nervous and anxious” because nerve damage had hampered his playing, and he was worried that he would perform poorly at upcoming concerts and disappoint his fans.[102][103][104]
Emerson was buried on 1 April 2016 at Lancing and Sompting Cemetery, Lancing, West Sussex.[10][105]
Although his death had been reported by news sources and an official Emerson, Lake and Palmer social media page as having occurred on the night of 10 March,[8][9] his grave memorial lists his date of death as 11 March 2016.[10]
His former ELP bandmates, Carl Palmer and Greg Lake, both issued statements on his death.
Palmer said, “Keith was a gentle soul whose love for music and passion for his performance as a keyboard player will remain unmatched for many years to come.”[106]
Lake said, “As sad and tragic as Keith’s death is, I would not want this to be the lasting memory people take away with them. What I will always remember about Keith Emerson was his remarkable talent as a musician and composer and his gift and passion to entertain.
Music was his life and despite some of the difficulties he encountered I am sure that the music he created will live on forever.”[107]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Emerson#Suicide
You seem to be confusing us with some other generation.
A study should be done to determine what percentage of suicides are democrats.
I have serveral mental health issues. Some of them very serious. I am plugged into a support group at my mental health provider and they are a big, big believer in cognitive behavioral therapy, which is basically talk it out. They also believe in the power of meds (better living through medicine, one doctor told me), and a comperhinsive approach to behavioral health, which is learning coping strategies, better eating, exercise, building a support group, and so forth, becoming educated about the reality of mental health issues. Something as simple as having access to a crisis hotline is important.
Two three things, we are not meant to be stressed to the point mental health issues causes us to be, and internalizing your trauma/depression/etc. does not work. The hermit is a rare exception, the bible teaches us we are meant to be in relationship, with God, with each other. Finally, untreated mental health issues can manfist itself physically, even if you put aside the risk of suicide.
Sometimes trying to help only makes it worse. I have had cousins who were bipolar. Decent behavior while on their meds, but when euphoria strikes, they think they don’t need their meds. Trying to convince someone to get help sometimes just makes them rebel against you. I like your solution, but with some people nothing helps. And as a poster here said a few days ago ‘suicide ends the person’s pain but then transfers it onto those left behind’.
The state in which we live is in the top 5 of suicides. The bulk of them are young men between the age of 15 and 40. The tool of choice is usually a firearm, though a young acquaintance 18 yrs old just used a noose. The main reasons are loneliness and loss of hope.
We have taken away the foundations of hope, which are God, the church and the family. This throws open the gate for nihilism to conquer.
Thank you.
Non. Sense.
With mental processes like that running loose, no wonder that suicide is a problem.
Seek help...
It’s art, you f*cking idiot!
My first thought too. The number of two-shots-to-the-back-of-the-head suicides reduces to zero.
This.
you can’t make another person feel worthy or like their life matters or situations will get better - only God can. The best we can do for a person is point them to Jesus.
I lived it for decades. It was all in my head, tapes going around my brain, filter I ran everything thru, victim, useless, I can’t change, God made me this way, etc.
In my experience a new mind, godly/biblical views on yourself, seeing and accepting real truth about things, is a process God takes a person thru ONLY if they are willing.
All the nice things people said toward me my old mind twisted to make them lies too.
For me, I had to flood my mind with scriptures regarding it and basically beg God repeatedly to change me and my mind to be as He wanted. Over time He did and then it seemed sudden everything ran thru a new filter and made more sense I had real joy even in bad moments, people’s compliments I allowed myself to accept - I had to learn to live free of the old mind/views.
Many people even some believers are still stuck in their old mind and ways of thinking - never really being as useful to God as they could be if they would fully turn their mind over to HIM, so He could show them bigger purposes for their lives than they could ever imagine.
True. Well said.
Were it that easy. I've heard that the "telltale signs" are there to be observed and reacted to. I've seen that this isn't always the case. Of course at those times when we see someone in obvious distress it behooves us to try to be supportive.
Has any one looked at the MEDS these people are on for ‘nerves’ Panic/Anxiety, or the amount of Booze they drink on top of that? All those PSYCHE drugs come with BLACK BOX SUICIDE warnings. Ditto goes for the ADD/ADHD Black Boxed Drugs these school shooters are on.
Why not just take em out for coffee and pie?
2. Romanticizing suicide by associating suicides of artists with some sort of gentle heart.
3. In relation to Point 2, show the grim photographs of suicides.
4. Understand some suicides are the result of the final conversation with God and the suicider. Survivors are unable to put themselves into the mind of the suicider.
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