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Zillow, NAR take gloves off in listings fight
The Real Deal ^ | August 02, 2018 | E.B. Solomont

Posted on 08/04/2018 1:06:02 PM PDT by AAABEST

“Real estate brokers and agents invest resources into obtaining property listings,” wrote NAR, which counts 1.3 million real estate agents as members. As such, NAR said agents have “rights and responsibilities to control the distribution of their listings.”

Any “appropriation of a commercial entity’s data, work product, or intellectual property for exploitation by another commercial entity is not justified,” NAR added.

But while Zillow argued for the “democratization” of data, NAR said calls for greater access to MLS data are “based on faulty expectations that unrestricted access to listing data will help consumers.” Instead, NAR said, “forcing brokers to provide unrestricted access to proprietary MLS information can alter important incentives for the creation of listing information.”

(Excerpt) Read more at therealdeal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: copyright; infringement; intellectualproperty; mls; nar; narmonopoly; realestate; realtor; uspto; zestimate; zillow
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To: Brian Griffin
The selling agent should have to power to easily place information on his client’s property on appropriate websites.

Agents have always been and always likely always will be free to enter listings into Zillow. Anyone can.

That's not what Zillow wants. If they get THAT, they're done.

21 posted on 08/04/2018 1:46:13 PM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: AAABEST

Zillow is crap... at least in my area. Anyone who thinks that they are getting anything close to their properties worth out of Zillow will be waiting a long time for a buyer who likes overpaying.


22 posted on 08/04/2018 1:47:20 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: cicero2k
1% listing fee

You get what you pay for...sellers beware!

23 posted on 08/04/2018 1:49:38 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: ConservativeMind
Yup. When I sell my house, my Realtor gets all the money they agreed to for helping get it sold.

Yes, but to be precise, the realtor gets all the money that you agreed to pay him. This is not a problem.

24 posted on 08/04/2018 1:57:18 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: AAABEST

Interesting info about Zillow. I’ve never considered that they are encroaching on other companies, especially the MLS, for their “free” and quite often erroneous information.


25 posted on 08/04/2018 1:59:01 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: sphinx

It is a contract. They told me what their price was and I was the one who agreed to it.

I gave them everything told told me up front I had to give for their full and complete work to handle the home sale.


26 posted on 08/04/2018 2:00:50 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
I misread your post... it was kinda awkwardly written.

I would have answered differently. My bad.

27 posted on 08/04/2018 2:04:06 PM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: AAABEST

The only houses on MLS services are ones that are actually for sale. The only ones there are ones that sellers have listed with member companies in the MLS.

As a rule, realtors don’t go around appraising (or zestimating) every house like Zillow does.

That said, Zillow’s zestumates can be wildly wrong. A house due to go to tax auction might have serious problems not evident from an aerial photo.

Also, Zillow’s data can be very much out of date...houses that they say are for sale might have closed months ago.


28 posted on 08/04/2018 2:13:16 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: AAABEST

I know of brokers who make sure their listings show up in Zillow, because it gets more exposure to potential buyers.


29 posted on 08/04/2018 2:13:49 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: mac_truck
ou get what you pay for...sellers beware!

Exactly. Any agent who works for peanuts is nothing but a scrub. Good agents who spend money on their clients and business and put their ass into their vocation cannot survive on that. Another issue is that lower priced listings won't get action or just won't get sold by agents at all.

Pros work off incentive, which is why I was never worried about tech cutting into agents business. People will always need lots of professional help with real estate, regardless of how properties get listed.

30 posted on 08/04/2018 2:15:30 PM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: AAABEST

What’s wrong with Zillow?


31 posted on 08/04/2018 2:16:18 PM PDT by nutmeg (Jim Acosta: The Tonya Harding of journalism)
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To: AAABEST

Ya know what sucks with sites like Realtor.com?

Those stooges won’t allow people to filter out the intrusive costly HOA properties! They force you to look at them. They have filters for everything, but the most obvious!

I find that bizarre...It tells me they’re having issues moving some of these properties in restrictive HOA compounds.


32 posted on 08/04/2018 2:21:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: AAABEST

People are now listing with Zillow.

Sellers will be the ones to sue to ensure their properties gain access to the monopoly controlled MLS.

A CLEAR violation of the anti-trust act.

NAR will be required to grant access to the MLS for all sellers and their agents...by a Federal court decision.

As certain as the day is long.


33 posted on 08/04/2018 2:21:30 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: nutmeg

Found our second house on Zillow, contacted a local Agent and worked out a deal. Had it not been for Zillow we would have never found it. It’s free service for the buyer.


34 posted on 08/04/2018 2:23:11 PM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: Innovative
Good point. If I was selling residential, I probably would put *most* of my listings on Zillow, for the exposure.

What's happening now is Zillow wants to compel that through government and the courts and by strong-arming my local, state and national boards for data that they have absolutely no right to.

35 posted on 08/04/2018 2:23:16 PM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Auntie Mame; AAABEST

I use Zillow every day.

They provide me a general idea of a properties value that is taken with a huge grain of salt.

I take phone calls from a hundred people a month that want to “Tell” me what their home is worth and I need some objective third party that will, at least, let me know if they are even in the same ballpark.

If they tell me their home is worth 500k and Zillow has them and the neighborhood at 300k?, I may send out a Realtor to get a true valuation.

More often than not, Zillow is fairly close.

I provide unsecured consumer loans based on Real Estate/Equity in one day, without having an official appraisal.

Even when Zillow is way off the properties real value I can make the loan work if there is sufficient equity.

Zillow provides me enough information (it doesn’t need to be exact) that allows me to continue the conversation and provide my families the funds they need.


36 posted on 08/04/2018 2:26:20 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Mariner
From your post, you really don't know much as to how local MLS systems work with state and national systems.

Thank you for the conversation though.

37 posted on 08/04/2018 2:41:48 PM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: sphinx
the realtor gets all the money that you agreed to pay him.

Fixed market. You agree to their demands, or forget about seeing buyers. If other industries were able to fix prices like the realtors, they'd instantly become more profitable.

38 posted on 08/04/2018 2:43:33 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: AAABEST

I know enough to know that a monopoly of licensed agents controls who enters data into it.

I’m thinking you do not understand anti-trust law.


39 posted on 08/04/2018 3:02:08 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: WildHighlander57

Why is Zillow a hazard?

Why is Facebook a hazard?

IMHO, selling valuable information that has been STOLEN from others should be a crime.

And, IMHO, so should USING the unearned profits from such thefts to build a monopoly...


40 posted on 08/04/2018 3:03:51 PM PDT by pfony1
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