Posted on 08/11/2018 11:26:52 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
You've already admitted you are entirely ignorant about the Jewish religion, and are thus utterly unqualified to even disagree with me about its contents. So, of course, you would also harbor your insane suspicions because you have nothing else to go on other than hurt feelings.
Taught well by Rome. He recovered the Gospel of Grace and so much more.
I have a Talmud sitting right here, Buster. Take your anti-semitism somewhere else.
Martin Luther overlooked a lot of New Testament scripture to arrive at his anger toward Jews. Romans 9-11 is so obvious, that we can only conclude his anger was based on a deep prejudice he was born with.
Europe has not been kind to Jews. They are much safer in the USA and Israel.
You have 6 or 7 books with more than 2000 pages altogether sitting right there? OK. Pull open Gittin 57a and tell me what it says.
As a Lutheran, I sorely wish he had not turned anti-Semite. It was wrong, a sin against God and His chosen people. There is no excusing it.
Shakespeare wrote that the evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones. Praise God, for all of us who name His Son as our Lord, the evil that we do is buried with the cross, and the good is all to His glory. So be it with Martin Luther as with all of us.
I probably have what you have - a large book marked Talmud which is the book of Jewish law. It sits next to my Torah as well as my King James, Gideon and Catholic bible and Baltimore Catechism and my mom’s Cardinal Newman essays.
And I never do what freepers order me to do - including pawing through passages that you have memorized to prove whatever the hell it is you’re using to demonize the Jewish religion.
I would never spend several hundred dollars on a dozen or so volumes when I can just go to: https://www.sefaria.org/Gittin.57a?lang=bi
And I never do what freepers order me to do
Considering you were responding to me within a few minutes all throughout this thread, then took more than a 10 minute gap on this one, suggests you looked up Gitten 57a and didn't like its contents.
I repeat: I don’t take orders from other freepers. I had one last week demanding I list all my Robert E. Lee bios and histories.
Please share with us quotations from Talmud as you wish.
Not many Christians today know the real truth behind the Reformation. It was not a revival of theology but rather a rebellion against the Catholic church. Evangelicals today more closely resemble Anabaptist of this time in the beliefs of their faith. The Anabaptist were hated and martyred by the “accepted faiths” of their time.
That Luther was as flawed as anyone, and a reflection of his times, does not negate all his teachings. Nor that the western church had become hugely corrupt and rich and deeply in need of reform and a return to first principles. It was and is, after all, made up and run by sinful humans, a fact that applies as much to Protestants as Roman Catholics. We all strive imperfectly.
Why not just get a few of your friends together and go pull down a Luther statue somewhere instead of reintroducing the Catholic-Protestant hate wars here on FR? Just how far back does your particular tribalist outrage extend?
Most American Protestants and Evangelicals are dispensationalists. That is they believe that Jews have a different dispensation than Gentiles.
But it was not always so.
Dispensationalism only got started in the USA in the 19th century.
Prior to that Christian attitudes toward the Jews were formulated first by Augustine about 400 AD. This was at a time when the capital of Christianity had moved from Jerusalem to Rome and the capital of Judaism had moved from Jerusalem to Babylon. (Because of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the subsquent exiling of Jews from Israel by the Romans.)
Augustines believed that God had replaced Jews as his chosen people with Christians. While the Jews extirpated the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilee from the Torah so as to emphasize that “G-d oh G-d our G-d is one.”(Why? because at one time Christianity was a Jewish sect.) (Both banished books can still be found in the Ethiopian Torah.)
Luther like all Christians of the 1500’s believed in the Replacement theory.
Like earlier commentators on this thread—the main thing that needs to be remembered from Luther’s famous 95 thesis of 1517 that applies to our day—is his injunction against the Catholic practice of the sale of indulgences.
Basically the Catholic church took the pagan ancestors of the Germans hostage. They placed them in “purgatory”. For a price the German people could get their ancestors out of purgatory and into heaven.
The sale of indulgences was a good business for the catholic church.
Luther said the practice was corrupt, unbiblical, and caused witchcraft.
What needs to be understood today is that the democrats are going into churches and selling indulgences again today.
That’s what white privilege and all its derivations are about. They’re all about taking the ancestors hostage. The ancestors of course can be let out of jail if blacks and whoever else are GIVEN more money power prestige and stuff. But then only for a little while because this is the gift that keeps on giving. This is the DANGELD rule. This gift was first imagined under the Lyndon Johnson administration’s great society program and sold to liberal protestant churches from the 1960’s onward.
Perhaps the liberal church’s purgatory problem is why they have succumbed to what once would have been called witchcraft. As well, the liberal purgatory problem is also likely why their membership is collapsing. It would be a shame to see the same thing happen to evangelicals.
Hitler and his cohort were gay pagan communists. They were very different animals.
The deeper question for Diaspora Jews and Israelis goes something like this.
Is the Islamization of Europe and America good for Israel? Is it good for Diaspora Jews?
If the answer is yes—then liberal Jewish attitudes since the 1930’s-1950’s are correct and should be kept in place.
If the answer is no—then everything but everything that Jews think and do and feel everywhere needs to come to a full stop. And a bit of reorienting needs to happen.
Bobby Dylan said it this way. “The times they are a changin.”
...from a herring barrel...
..don’t go there...
Yes, it is disgusting. Sad in this day and age and on FR of all places.
ML was very much against anyone who did not believe The Gospel. Jews fit into that category.
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