Meat-heavy low-carb diets can 'shorten lifespan': study

Daily Mail ^ | August 16, 2018 | AFP

[fireman15]

I know there's no diet that works for everyone. But a diet that leaves out vitamins and minerals? It doesn't pass the common sense test.

It sounds like you are on exactly the right track.

I have to admit that I knew this article would stir the pot a bit. No one loves home made barbecue more than I do. My favorite is pork ribs either smoked or depending on the cut using a little higher temperature indirect charcoal heat and adding some hickory pellets in a smoking tube. I love bacon in a breakfast meal or potato salad as well.

Unfortunately I have noticed that nothing puts weight on me faster than my grill and smoker. And that includes my sweet tooth. So I only barbecue or smoke a big meat meal once a week. The rest of the week I try to by moderate and balanced on everything.

To me there is nothing sillier than people who adopt some questionable philosophy that they use to choose the foods that they eat. Practically everyone that I have known who has gotten emotional while arguing about their diet philosophy had ended up having a bad outcome. Sometimes very bad... like they ended up with diabetes, heart problems, strokes and ended up dead. When you leave common sense out of your food choices... bad things happen.

[SoCal Pubbie]

That was my observation, since if you know anything about gout you know that protein is the issue, and nothing has more protein then meat. I did not mock him, I was not condescending, I didn’t say he amused me or made me laugh or anything like that. I’d say I was I was challenging, perhaps confrontational, but not mocking.

That being said, to the extent I went astray I take the blame. My post 90 directly asked a question to which I got no response. I was getting little in response of any kind on topic. Finally got a link of dubious value.

If someone posted that the way to avoid lung cancer was to smoke more cigarettes, wouldn’t you surmise that person had no clue?

[fireman15]

I doubt you ever actually had gout frankly since you clearly don’t have a clue.

Every time someone puts up an article on nutrition, it never fails to flush the ding dongs out from their cover. I laughed when I read through the posts with people accusing the “grain lobby” of funding the study, but the winner is the TheStickman who told you, someone who has suffered from gout that the “Best way I know to avoid gout is to eat meat & lot’s of fat with no carbs.

So congratulations TheStickman, you win the grand prize!

[Pelham]

What Is the Optimal Diet?

[TheStickman]

Ask away, I am happy to share my experience.

I ONLY drink water. Period. I only want to drink water at this point.

Seeds are not animal sourced food. I only eat animal sourced food. No plant based food, including seeds ever is consumed with this way of eating.

I take that back, if the meat supply vanishes, that’s the moment I will consider eating non-animal based foods. Not one second before.

I never add salt to my food because my meat is cooked in either bacon grease or salted butter.

[TheStickman]

Wow, what a lovely fallacy. Thanks for sharing.

I never said ‘the best way I know to avoid gout is to eat meat”. In fact, if you take the time to look through this thread you will clearly see I never brought up the issue of gout at all lol!

In fact, I’ve never said the “best way to avoid gout” in my life.

Again, another atom of nothing made into a mountain of more nothing.

Keep your prize for someone who cares.

[trebb]

I periodically go low-carb to trim off a few pounds but also love them carbs...we eat a lot of meat but probably manage a 50-50 split in where the calories come from.

[TheStickman]

Out of curiosity, I checked back through the discussion. I did write, “Best way I know to avoid gout is to eat meat & lot’s of fat with no carbs.” So I be guilty as charged lol

And you know what? I admit I’m no expert on gout & never have or will claim to be nor did I bring the issue of gout into this discussion.

So pat yourself on the back, grin & smile for the rest of your day & while I’m thinking about it, do so every day. I bet it will keep the gout away if you do lol!

[grania]

Thanks. I've watched the first segment and saved the website. The information is a lot like what got me to a sensible place for me. On a cruise about five years ago, there was a University of Ireland grad with a nutrition major working in the spa. He gave a free talk not selling anything (that's major news on a cruise ship!) that laid it all out....how to eat healthy, avoid chemicals, integrate a realistic exercise agenda.

It's like anything else in life. If you leave out the common sense, it most likely isn't a real good plan.

[Pelham]

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/food-as-medicine/

[fireman15]

I periodically go low-carb to trim off a few pounds but also love them carbs...we eat a lot of meat but probably manage a 50-50 split in where the calories come from.

I used to log over 10,000 miles a year on my bicycles. In much younger days I was a State Champion and nationally ranked bicycle road racer. So I was interested in nutrition to enhance my performance from my early days.

But the nutritional needs of someone who is burning thousands of extra calories a day are far different and not really applicable to someone who lead a more sedentary lifestyle. Consuming carbohydrates are not only necessary to maintain the glycogen storage in an endurance athletes muscles but are also the most efficient source of fuel. The fad diet aficionados weed themselves out of the upper echelons of endurance sports. It just doesn't mix.

Unfortunately, having so many excess calories to burn and having to work to keep from losing large amounts of body mass, tends to cause people to develop habits that are not helpful when they get older and slow down. At one time I could eat two or three times what I do now and not gain an ounce. I could also eat pounds of greasy foods without spiking my cholesterol numbers.

Fortunately my wife is a retired nurse who taught diet, nutrition, and exercise classes for many years. Her former students used to approach her often when we were out and about and thank her for helping them to change their lives. She is a wealth of information and also helps to keep me on the straight and narrow despite my extreme love of homemade barbecue.

Firehouse meals while I was still working tended to be highly meat centric. And unfortunately many of my former coworkers went on Atkins style low carb diets. So I got to witness the devastation this type of diet philosophy has on people when it is applied over the long term. Strict adherents literally go to their graves while refusing to accept the dietary suggestions of their doctors. I have lost a number of friends to what can only be described as a combination of hubris, stubbornness and stupidity.

[Yaelle]

I don’t want to watch a video right now, what is the gist? Sounds good though.

[Songcraft]

Thanks very much for sharing all this information.   I really appreciate it.

[Pelham]

It’s a doc who runs a website called nutritionfacts.org

He reads medical/nutrition studies and condenses them into short videos so that the rest of us can see what the studies are saying. The one I posted to you happens to be a rare longer video.

The site was useful to me because those studies basically end up at the same place as the diet that is prescribed for nephrotic syndrome. Meat proteins provoke hyperfiltration in kidneys and can damage them. Substituting vegetable protein when possible is part of the regimen.

Meat proteins and fats provoke an inflammatory response that can be measured in the blood. That low grade inflammation is connected to high rates of cardiovascular disease and cancer. And probably the neuro diseases that afflict the elderly.

[Yaelle]

That is very interesting. My body needs animal protein to stop actual hunger. Not too much of it. I’ve tried beans and peanuts but they don’t work, too many carbs. Eggs are the best result for me, the most filling satisfying food. How are eggs on the kidneys?

Just a couple of weeks ago, I’ve started making recipes with tofu. No fakey fakey meat, just chunks of tofu as the protein in an Asian style dish. And it is working for me. Just like meat. Now I want some every week. The best is the one I did with gochugang (sp?), that Korean sauce. Mmmmmmmm. A bowl of rice covered with different veggies, tofu, that sauce, a bit of hard boiled egg.

[William Tell]

"I have been doing high fat / low carb for over a year now. The results? Weight from 245 to 155 "

That's about ten pounds per month. Quite an achievement.

I'm seventy now I haven't seen 155 for about 30 years.

I adopted a low carb, moderate protein, high fat diet about eight months ago and have lost only about one and a half pounds per month; which I consider great. At 5'-9" I topped out just above 200. I'm now just below 190.

What I like about the diet is that I don't have cravings like I did when I consumed a lot of carbs. It's not hard to continue eating like I am doing now.

If I am down below 170 a year from now and can maintain that, I will be extremely happy with the results.

[SunkenCiv]

Preserved foods were the ‘Hamburger Helper of ancient times’
The Jewish News of Northern California | August 13, 2018 | Alix Wall
Posted on 08/14/2018 9:46:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3679190/posts

[trebb]

I hear you - used to run a lot - logged more than around the world and only stopped when the right hip finally wore out and had to be replaced - in late ‘50s was running 3 days a week and putting in 20-25 miles each week. At 66, I still use the Bow Flex and put in a few miles on the treadmill most days but have to really work to keep the calories down enough to keep from ballooning with “excess energy”....