Posted on 08/18/2018 11:03:44 AM PDT by fireman15
Middle-aged people who get roughly half their daily calories from carbohydrates live several years longer on average than those with meat-heavy low-carb diets, researchers reported Friday. The findings, published in The Lancet medical journal, challenge a trend in Europe and North America toward so-called Paleo diets that shun carbohydrates in favour of animal protein and fat. Proponents of these "Stone Age" diets argue that the rapid shift 10,000 years ago -- with the advent of agriculture -- to grains, dairy and legumes has not allowed the human body enough time to adapt to these high-carb foods. For the study, receiving less than 40 percent of total energy intake from carbohydrates qualified as a low-carb regimen, though many such diets reduce the share to 20 percent or less. At the other extreme, a 70 percent or higher share of carbohydrates -- such as pasta, rice, cakes, sugary drinks -- can also reduce longevity, but by far less, the scientists found. "Low-carb diets that replace carbohydrates with protein or fat are gaining widespread popularity as a health and weight loss strategy," said lead author Sara Seidelmann, a researcher at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. "However, our data suggests that animal-based low carbohydrate diets might be associated with shorter overall lifespan and should be discouraged." Replacing meat with plant-based fats (such as avocados and nuts) and proteins (such as soy products and lentils) reduces the risk of mortality, Seidelmann and her team found. The optimal balance of food groups for longevity remains hotly debated. Many studies have concluded that eating carbohydrates in moderation -- 45 to 55 percent of total calorie intake -- is best, but others report improved short-term, cardio-metabolic health with high-protein, high-fat diets.
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It sounds like you are on exactly the right track.
I have to admit that I knew this article would stir the pot a bit. No one loves home made barbecue more than I do. My favorite is pork ribs either smoked or depending on the cut using a little higher temperature indirect charcoal heat and adding some hickory pellets in a smoking tube. I love bacon in a breakfast meal or potato salad as well.
Unfortunately I have noticed that nothing puts weight on me faster than my grill and smoker. And that includes my sweet tooth. So I only barbecue or smoke a big meat meal once a week. The rest of the week I try to by moderate and balanced on everything.
To me there is nothing sillier than people who adopt some questionable philosophy that they use to choose the foods that they eat. Practically everyone that I have known who has gotten emotional while arguing about their diet philosophy had ended up having a bad outcome. Sometimes very bad... like they ended up with diabetes, heart problems, strokes and ended up dead. When you leave common sense out of your food choices... bad things happen.
That being said, to the extent I went astray I take the blame. My post 90 directly asked a question to which I got no response. I was getting little in response of any kind on topic. Finally got a link of dubious value.
If someone posted that the way to avoid lung cancer was to smoke more cigarettes, wouldnt you surmise that person had no clue?
Every time someone puts up an article on nutrition, it never fails to flush the ding dongs out from their cover. I laughed when I read through the posts with people accusing the “grain lobby” of funding the study, but the winner is the TheStickman who told you, someone who has suffered from gout that the “Best way I know to avoid gout is to eat meat & lots of fat with no carbs.
So congratulations TheStickman, you win the grand prize!
Ask away, I am happy to share my experience.
I ONLY drink water. Period. I only want to drink water at this point.
Seeds are not animal sourced food. I only eat animal sourced food. No plant based food, including seeds ever is consumed with this way of eating.
I take that back, if the meat supply vanishes, that’s the moment I will consider eating non-animal based foods. Not one second before.
I never add salt to my food because my meat is cooked in either bacon grease or salted butter.
Wow, what a lovely fallacy. Thanks for sharing.
I never said ‘the best way I know to avoid gout is to eat meat”. In fact, if you take the time to look through this thread you will clearly see I never brought up the issue of gout at all lol!
In fact, I’ve never said the “best way to avoid gout” in my life.
Again, another atom of nothing made into a mountain of more nothing.
Keep your prize for someone who cares.
I periodically go low-carb to trim off a few pounds but also love them carbs...we eat a lot of meat but probably manage a 50-50 split in where the calories come from.
Out of curiosity, I checked back through the discussion. I did write, “Best way I know to avoid gout is to eat meat & lots of fat with no carbs.” So I be guilty as charged lol
And you know what? I admit I’m no expert on gout & never have or will claim to be nor did I bring the issue of gout into this discussion.
So pat yourself on the back, grin & smile for the rest of your day & while I’m thinking about it, do so every day. I bet it will keep the gout away if you do lol!
It's like anything else in life. If you leave out the common sense, it most likely isn't a real good plan.
I used to log over 10,000 miles a year on my bicycles. In much younger days I was a State Champion and nationally ranked bicycle road racer. So I was interested in nutrition to enhance my performance from my early days.
But the nutritional needs of someone who is burning thousands of extra calories a day are far different and not really applicable to someone who lead a more sedentary lifestyle. Consuming carbohydrates are not only necessary to maintain the glycogen storage in an endurance athletes muscles but are also the most efficient source of fuel. The fad diet aficionados weed themselves out of the upper echelons of endurance sports. It just doesn't mix.
Unfortunately, having so many excess calories to burn and having to work to keep from losing large amounts of body mass, tends to cause people to develop habits that are not helpful when they get older and slow down. At one time I could eat two or three times what I do now and not gain an ounce. I could also eat pounds of greasy foods without spiking my cholesterol numbers.
Fortunately my wife is a retired nurse who taught diet, nutrition, and exercise classes for many years. Her former students used to approach her often when we were out and about and thank her for helping them to change their lives. She is a wealth of information and also helps to keep me on the straight and narrow despite my extreme love of homemade barbecue.
Firehouse meals while I was still working tended to be highly meat centric. And unfortunately many of my former coworkers went on Atkins style low carb diets. So I got to witness the devastation this type of diet philosophy has on people when it is applied over the long term. Strict adherents literally go to their graves while refusing to accept the dietary suggestions of their doctors. I have lost a number of friends to what can only be described as a combination of hubris, stubbornness and stupidity.
I dont want to watch a video right now, what is the gist? Sounds good though.
It’s a doc who runs a website called nutritionfacts.org
He reads medical/nutrition studies and condenses them into short videos so that the rest of us can see what the studies are saying. The one I posted to you happens to be a rare longer video.
The site was useful to me because those studies basically end up at the same place as the diet that is prescribed for nephrotic syndrome. Meat proteins provoke hyperfiltration in kidneys and can damage them. Substituting vegetable protein when possible is part of the regimen.
Meat proteins and fats provoke an inflammatory response that can be measured in the blood. That low grade inflammation is connected to high rates of cardiovascular disease and cancer. And probably the neuro diseases that afflict the elderly.
That is very interesting. My body needs animal protein to stop actual hunger. Not too much of it. Ive tried beans and peanuts but they dont work, too many carbs. Eggs are the best result for me, the most filling satisfying food. How are eggs on the kidneys?
Just a couple of weeks ago, Ive started making recipes with tofu. No fakey fakey meat, just chunks of tofu as the protein in an Asian style dish. And it is working for me. Just like meat. Now I want some every week. The best is the one I did with gochugang (sp?), that Korean sauce. Mmmmmmmm. A bowl of rice covered with different veggies, tofu, that sauce, a bit of hard boiled egg.
That's about ten pounds per month. Quite an achievement.
I'm seventy now I haven't seen 155 for about 30 years.
I adopted a low carb, moderate protein, high fat diet about eight months ago and have lost only about one and a half pounds per month; which I consider great. At 5'-9" I topped out just above 200. I'm now just below 190.
What I like about the diet is that I don't have cravings like I did when I consumed a lot of carbs. It's not hard to continue eating like I am doing now.
If I am down below 170 a year from now and can maintain that, I will be extremely happy with the results.
Preserved foods were the Hamburger Helper of ancient times
The Jewish News of Northern California | August 13, 2018 | Alix Wall
Posted on 08/14/2018 9:46:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3679190/posts
I hear you - used to run a lot - logged more than around the world and only stopped when the right hip finally wore out and had to be replaced - in late ‘50s was running 3 days a week and putting in 20-25 miles each week. At 66, I still use the Bow Flex and put in a few miles on the treadmill most days but have to really work to keep the calories down enough to keep from ballooning with “excess energy”....
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