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We're Probably Living in a Simulation, Elon Musk Says
Space.com ^ | September 7, 2018 | Mike Wall, Space.com Senior Writer

Posted on 09/07/2018 12:30:07 PM PDT by ETL

Elon Musk thinks we're all probably trapped in a "Matrix"-like pseudo existence.

The universe is 13.8 billion years old, so any civilizations that may have arisen throughout the cosmos have had loads and loads of time to hone their technological know-how, the SpaceX founder and CEO explained early this morning (Sept. 7) during a long, wide-ranging and very entertaining appearance on comedian Joe Rogan's popular podcast, "The Joe Rogan Experience."

"If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then games will be indistinguishable from reality, or civilization will end. One of those two things will occur," Musk said. "Therefore, we are most likely in a simulation, because we exist."

"I think most likely — this is just about probability — there are many, many simulations," he added. "You might as well call them reality, or you could call them multiverse."

The "substrate" on which these simulations are running, whatever it may be, is probably quite boring, at least compared to the simulations themselves, Musk further told Rogan.

"Why would you make a simulation that's boring? You'd make a simulation that's way more interesting than base reality," Musk said, citing the video games and movies that humanity makes, which are "distillation[s] of what's interesting about life."

The billionaire entrepreneur is far from alone in this interpretation; a number of physicists, cosmologists and philosophers find the simulation hypothesis compelling. If even one advanced alien civilization with a predilection for creating simulations has ever arisen out there, the reasoning goes, then it could theoretically pop off thousands — or perhaps even millions or billions — of "fake" universes. And it would be hard for the inhabitants of these digital realms to figure out the truth, because all the evidence they could gather would likely be planted by the creators. 

Indeed, the simulation idea is one of many possible explanations for the famous Fermi paradox, which basically asks, "Where is everybody?" ("Everybody" being aliens, of course.)

This was far from the only ground that Musk and Rogan covered during their 2.5-hour conversation. For example, Musk reiterated his concerns about unregulated and uncontrolled artificial intelligence; stressed that a bright and appealing future for humanity involves exploring and settling other worlds, both in our solar system and beyond; and discussed the traffic-reducing potential of extensive tunnel systems, which his Boring Company aims to build in big cities around the world.

Musk also talked at length about Tesla, the electric-car company he runs, and the need for our species to wean itself off fossil fuels. Musk described humanity's mass displacement of carbon from the ground to the atmosphere (and from there into the oceans) as an incredibly dangerous experiment whose ultimate outcome is unknown.

"We should not do this," he told Rogan. "We know that sustainable energy is the end point. So why are we doing this experiment? It's an insane experiment. It's the dumbest experiment in human history." [Images of Melt: Earth's Vanishing Ice]

Musk also casually mentioned that he has an idea for an electric supersonic plane that takes off and lands vertically. But he said he doesn't view the development of this concept as a priority at the moment, given the other pressing problems humanity needs to solve.

Musk and Rogan sipped whiskey throughout their conversation. And at one point, the comedian lit up a joint, and Musk took a puff.

This was apparently a rare event; the SpaceX CEO said he almost never smokes marijuana (which is legal in California, where The Joe Rogan Experience is taped) and doesn't enjoy it, because it saps his famous productivity.

"It's like a cup of coffee in reverse," Musk said. "I like to get things done. I like to be useful." 

He told Rogan that ideas are bouncing around inside his head all the time — "it's like a never-ending explosion" — and that he realized he was different from other people when he was just 5 or 6 years old.

"I thought I was insane," Musk said. As a kid, he added, he worried that authority figures might notice his "strangeness" and put him away somewhere.

There was so much other interesting stuff as well. For example, Musk appreciatively handled a samurai sword in the studio that Rogan said was 500 years old. And at one point toward the end of the conversation, Musk said, "This may sound corny, but love is the answer." (Another choice quote: "I don't know what would happen if I got in a sensory-deprivation tank. Sounds concerning.")

You can watch the entire thing on The Joe Rogan Experience's YouTube page


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To: Ueriah

If God does it, how is it a ‘simulation’? That would mean there’s a different, real, reality, right?


61 posted on 09/07/2018 2:41:07 PM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Ueriah

Except that that is not what Musk is suggesting.

His idea is that beings millions or billions of years older than the human race and millions of times more advanced technologically created us and all we experience. It’s hard for me to believe that beings that sophisticated are such hard core sadists.


62 posted on 09/07/2018 2:41:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: ETL

Elon, place the bong on the table and back away!


63 posted on 09/07/2018 3:10:19 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: ETL

Or not

Elon himself thinks he might be insane


64 posted on 09/07/2018 3:14:49 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: ETL
Musk also talked at length about Tesla, the electric-car company he runs, and the need for our species to wean itself off fossil fuels.

"Yo, I'm going to have to stop you right there. If the universe is a simulation, then fossil fuels don't even exist, so what's the point?"


65 posted on 09/07/2018 3:24:49 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We MAGA)
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To: ETL

He’s turning into Howard Hughes.


66 posted on 09/07/2018 3:26:38 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Consensus isn't science.)
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To: Rebelbase

Your insulting Howard Hughes.


67 posted on 09/07/2018 3:28:43 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: blueunicorn6
I’m real, but I’m pretty sure the rest of you are only here to amuse me.

Lol! There were several episodes of the original Twilight Zone with a storyline similar to that.

68 posted on 09/07/2018 3:40:40 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

For someone who is supposed to be smart, he’s a huge idiot.


69 posted on 09/07/2018 3:42:55 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: NRx

Clearly Musk is several fries short of a happy meal. His erratic behavior has been increasing in both frequency and intensity for months. My guess is that he is having some kind of breakdown.

Nah. just bad weed ...


70 posted on 09/07/2018 3:47:11 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: blueunicorn6
I’m real, but I’m pretty sure the rest of you are only here to amuse me.

I'm here to friggin amuse you?? To make you laugh??"--Joe Pesci

71 posted on 09/07/2018 3:49:55 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Well, maybe some of you are real.

But Joy Behar?

She can’t possibly be real.

She’s got a head as big as most garden sheds.


72 posted on 09/07/2018 3:55:12 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DannyTN

Thank you!
I really like that!

“Only God is natural. Everything else is a creation.”


73 posted on 09/07/2018 4:12:00 PM PDT by Right Brigade
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To: ETL

He may be. I am not.


74 posted on 09/07/2018 4:17:23 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: x

It has been in science fiction as far back as I can recall. Nothing new.


75 posted on 09/07/2018 4:18:59 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: mjp
"Therefore, we are most likely in a simulation"

Then there would be noticeable anomalies and imperfections in the simulation. Where are they?

My cat, who likes to put a plastic bag on his head and parade around proudly like it's a hat.

76 posted on 09/07/2018 4:20:40 PM PDT by Lazamataz (On future maps, I suggest we remove the word "California" and substitute "Open-Air Asylum".)
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To: Ueriah
It’s not unreasonable to suggest this is a simulation for God’s purposes.

I suppose, if Heaven and Hell are the realities, the Universe WOULD be a simulation. A very real, physical simulation.

77 posted on 09/07/2018 4:22:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz (On future maps, I suggest we remove the word "California" and substitute "Open-Air Asylum".)
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To: TigersEye

It’s educational.


78 posted on 09/07/2018 4:23:03 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: TigersEye
If it's all programmed why would you make a simulation imbued with so much suffering?

Same reason as my character in Fallout 4 goes through so much.

Storyline.

79 posted on 09/07/2018 4:24:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz (On future maps, I suggest we remove the word "California" and substitute "Open-Air Asylum".)
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To: Ueriah

How else could Mind, outside of time/space, experience itself in every dimension, than by creating a material universe?

The Universe is God enjoying Himself.


80 posted on 09/07/2018 4:27:28 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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