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Russia Must Own Up to Stalin-Hitler Romance
Moscow Times ^ | Sep 18, 2018 | Leonid Bershidsky

Posted on 09/23/2018 11:56:32 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

An Associated Press correction last week and reactions to it show that the question of whether the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allies at the dawn of World War II remains a hot-button issue for many Russians and eastern Europeans.

The correction was issued to an article about a Holocaust commemoration in the Ukrainian city of Lviv that originally called the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany “former allies.”

The AP concluded that the pact reached on Aug. 23, 1939 by the German and Soviet foreign ministers Joachim von Ribbentrop and Vyacheslav Molotov didn’t constitute a formal alliance, thus the correction.

The correction followed letters from the Russian Foreign Ministry sent both to the AP and to other media outlets that printed the story, saying that the phrase “former allies” was a “vivid example of attempts to rewrite history” and that the U.S.S.R., had never been the ally of Hitler’s Germany.

This isn’t how history is seen by many people in Poland and the Baltics.

“The Soviet-Nazi alliance began World War II,” tweeted Jerdzej Tomczak, a member of the Polish delegation to NATO.

“An annual reminder of Russian denial at its peak,” former Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves posted.

In Poland and the Baltics, the continuity between Soviet and Putinist rationalizations for working with Hitler represents an unbroken line of aggressive, imperialist Russian thinking. Along with Russia’s depredations in its immediate neighborhood, the Moscow version of history is seen as proof that Russia still covets the influence on eastern Europe and the Baltic territories that it was forced to give up when the Soviet Union fell apart.

An unconditional admission of Stalin’s guilt (not a “mistake,” as Putin once termed it) in carving up eastern Europe with Hitler would be a powerful move on the part of a Russian leader...

(Excerpt) Read more at themoscowtimes.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: associatedpress; baltics; estonia; germany; hitler; holocaust; jerdzejtomczak; joachimvonribbentrop; lviv; molotov; molotovribbentrop; nato; poland; putin; russia; russians; stalin; theholocaust; toomashendrikilves; ukraine; vonribbentrop; vyacheslavmolotov
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1 posted on 09/23/2018 11:56:32 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The West gave Stalin everything Hitler had promised him. All of Eastern Europe.


2 posted on 09/23/2018 12:00:54 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

3 posted on 09/23/2018 12:01:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ETL

Ping


4 posted on 09/23/2018 12:04:01 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: StoneWall Brigade; CondoleezzaProtege
"...at the time of the Nazi-Soviet Pact, the Communists suddenly transformed the 'Anti-Nazi League' into the "Hollywood Peace Forum," calling for American neutrality and using the slogan 'Let's Skip the Next War.'..."
--Ronald Radosh, from his book, Red Star Over Hollywood: The Film Colony's Long Romance With the Left
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4251
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"[Pete] Seeger was antiwar during the period of the Nazi-Soviet Pact; pro-war after the Soviet Union was the ally of the United States; and anti-war during the years of the Cold War and Vietnam." --Ronald Radosh (former communist)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=01133F31-CE9A-40BC-B797-47CBB0023EF4
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Above: Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov signs the Nazi-Soviet Non-aggression Pact while German Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop and Soviet leader Stalin look on under a portrait of Lenin, August 23, 1939. News of the Pact stunned the world and paved the way for the beginning of World War Two with Hitler assured the Germans would not have to fight a war on two fronts.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/pact.htm

5 posted on 09/23/2018 12:11:59 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
... the question of whether the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allies at the dawn of World War II...

It's not a "question." It's a fact.

6 posted on 09/23/2018 12:16:37 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

6 weeks before Germany invaded the Soviet Union.

German military representatives shake hands with Soviet Military at May Day Parade in Red Square.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfSrBMuXI8


7 posted on 09/23/2018 12:18:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

The REAL crime was the bromance of Socialist FDR and Communist pig Stalin. We shed our blood and treasure and gave EVERYTHING Stalin wanted even before the last American soldiers were buried and Hitler defeated.


8 posted on 09/23/2018 12:21:58 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

We should have never allied with the Soviet Union.

And when Germany was falling we should have joined with anti Hitler forces in the Wehrmacht and rolled over the soviet army ending this Marxist thing once and for all. Mao would have been next to fall. Castro would never had happened


9 posted on 09/23/2018 12:23:37 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: VR-21

Bookmark


10 posted on 09/23/2018 12:25:59 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: ETL

[ “...at the time of the Nazi-Soviet Pact, the Communists suddenly transformed the ‘Anti-Nazi League’ into the “Hollywood Peace Forum,” calling for American neutrality and using the slogan ‘Let’s Skip the Next War.’...” ]

When are those exact dates when hollywood loved hitler + stalin?

I feel a meme comming on...


11 posted on 09/23/2018 12:27:39 PM PDT by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: Dalberg-Acton

It wasn’t an alliance, it was a plan to divide Poland between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.


12 posted on 09/23/2018 12:29:37 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Should England own up to a Chamberlain-Hitler romance as well?


13 posted on 09/23/2018 12:43:36 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Meadow muffins.

Just ask the Poles.

5.56mm


14 posted on 09/23/2018 12:45:22 PM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Did Britain get half of Czechoslovakia out of the deal?


15 posted on 09/23/2018 12:46:06 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: GraceG

>>When are those exact dates when hollywood loved hitler + stalin?

https://books.google.com/books?id=D8vWcFHtCrQC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=%E2%80%9CHollywood+Peace+Forum%22&source=bl&ots=pbb3CFPH0j&sig=tIhbAO104AA8j7qtckBiLVRvEJg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVuaW18dHdAhXQxVkKHYu6BsUQ6AEwA3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CHollywood%20Peace%20Forum%22&f=false


16 posted on 09/23/2018 12:46:30 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: reg45

Stalin was counting on Germany attacking the West. He was perfectly happy to let Nazi Germany take care of England and France for him.


17 posted on 09/23/2018 12:47:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: GraceG

They ran Charlie Chaplin out of the business because he dared say that Hitler was a bad guy.


18 posted on 09/23/2018 12:48:46 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Vaquero

Not only would Castro never have happened, we would never have had terrorism kick in from the ME with Arafat, not to mention dozens of other little red terror cells throughout the world. FDR & his co-president Harry Hopkins should be vilified in every American history book!


19 posted on 09/23/2018 1:13:58 PM PDT by Twotone
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To: Dalberg-Acton
The West gave Stalin successfully took everything Hitler had promised him. All of Eastern Europe.
The West was in no position to prevent it. Not that FDR minded that situation, mind . . .

The US gave Stalin signal assistance, especially Studebaker trucks for mobility of the Red Army. But that was the price of keeping the USSR’s oil fields out of Hitler’s hands.

Granted that the US could have abrogated alliance with the USSR after the battle of Kursk, when the oil fields were no longer in danger - but if so, reduced Soviet pressure would have meant that the allied invasion of Normandy and into Germany would have faced German resistance from units which in fact stayed on the Ostfront.

And if you think that woulda been fun, you must have loved the Battle of the Bulge. Which Hitler launched precisely with units withdrawn from der Ostfront . . .


20 posted on 09/23/2018 1:36:37 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Journalism promotes itself - and promotes big government - by speaking ill of society.)
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