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If she tried to sell the ring, she probably wouldn't get anywhere near $100,000.00 for it. If I were Ryan I would go for the cost of the ring, not to get it back. Don't know if he could ever collect from her, though.
1 posted on 09/25/2018 2:03:18 PM PDT by Cecily
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He probably got off cheap, and should chalk this learning experience up to renting instead of buying.


2 posted on 09/25/2018 2:06:03 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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Be high maintenance


3 posted on 09/25/2018 2:07:37 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Sessions. Trust the Plan.)
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p22
7 posted on 09/25/2018 2:10:09 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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The article is blocked for me. Did he break up with her or did she break up with him?

Any guy who would listen to her demands for the size diamond she wanted should be glad to be rid of her. She sounds like a bitch and he sounds like an idiot.

8 posted on 09/25/2018 2:10:21 PM PDT by CaptainK ("no collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker")
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I believe this is settled law. It is a gift and she gets to keep it.


10 posted on 09/25/2018 2:12:28 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (Free)
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Rule is once you give it to her, its hers. If the engagement is broken before there was a marriage, the guy when he cools off ultimately realizes he got off cheap and was very lucky at that. Fagettabawt the ring.


11 posted on 09/25/2018 2:12:29 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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since the article isn’t viewable without registering, could you summarize the part that wasn’t posted in your own words?


13 posted on 09/25/2018 2:14:06 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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And it fit what he says were her must-have requirements

That should have been a warning sign ...

14 posted on 09/25/2018 2:14:31 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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her must-have requirements

This idiot did not see this as big trouble??

15 posted on 09/25/2018 2:16:02 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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16 posted on 09/25/2018 2:16:41 PM PDT by DannyTN
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The fact that she was putting requirements on the ring should have been a clue.

I got lavender jade. Technically only semi-precious but I like it and it did not break the bank. He protested that he should spend three month's salary on the ring. I told him that was silly when we could be using that money for a house payment.

Oh and yes, she should give it back if she is a decent person. Which she probably isn't.

17 posted on 09/25/2018 2:16:45 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea is getting cold.)
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$9,000/mo isnt so high for a quality hooker these days.
er, I mean ‘escort’...


20 posted on 09/25/2018 2:17:45 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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Unless you’re some kind of gazillionaire (and it definitely sounds like this guy isn’t), $100K for a ring is just stupid. A fool and his money are soon parted. Linkedin indicates that his ex is an art history student at Duke. She’s also a fan of Kristen Gillibrand and ‘liked’ a photo of Eric Holder. Poor sap was taken to the cleaners by a limousine liberal princess.


27 posted on 09/25/2018 2:20:48 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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A ring given in anticipation of marriage must be returned at break up

It’s not just the law....why would one want to keep such an intimate gift if you aren’t getting married?


28 posted on 09/25/2018 2:20:49 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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If the agreed-upon event does not occur or the agreed-upon condition is not met, then the gift-giver has the right to get the gift back. The majority of courts classify engagement rings as a conditional gift, and award the engagement ring to the giver in broken engagement cases.


33 posted on 09/25/2018 2:23:21 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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There are generally three ways that courts can classify engagement rings, either as outright gifts that cannot be revoked, as conditional gifts that are dependent upon completion of a marriage ceremony, or as compensation (which cannot be returned).

Treating Engagement Rings as a Gift

The law generally requires three elements for an item to be considered a gift that cannot be revoked:

The giver’s intent to give the item as a gift;
The giver’s actual giving of the gift to the receiver; and
The receiver’s acceptance of the gift.
In most cases involving revoked gifts (where all three requirements were shown), courts have held that the item involved was a gift, and the receiver got to keep the item.

Treating Engagement Rings as Conditional Gifts

A conditional gift is one which is based on some future event or action taking place. If the event doesn’t occur, then the gift-giver has the right to get the gift back. Most courts classify engagement rings as a conditional gift and award the engagement ring to the giver in broken engagement cases.

However, the receiver of the ring may argue that answering the proposal was the condition required and that the condition was met. This doesn’t usually work. Courts typically reject the idea that the gift’s condition is the engagement, and hold instead that the condition to be met is the marriage. This is usually a no-fault approach, meaning that it doesn’t matter which party is responsible for the broken engagement; if the condition is not met for whatever reason, then the gift must be returned.

Most western states follow the no-fault, conditional gift approach and award the engagement ring to the giver in a broken engagement. A few states, like Montana, classify the engagement ring as an unconditional gift and award the ring to the receiver in broken engagements.

Treating Engagement Rings as Compensation

There have been cases where a ring can qualify as compensation, as long as both parties understood that the ring was being given as compensation. For example, in one case, a woman had given her fiancé money and even labor to improve his business. In exchange for her money and labor, he gave her a valuable diamond ring and proposed marriage. The relationship ended in a broken engagement, and the court awarded the diamond ring to the woman because the diamond ring was given to her as compensation.

Engagement Ring Laws: Fault-Based Approaches

Some courts hold that it isn’t fair for the person who caused the broken engagement to keep the engagement ring. This approach is called “fault-based” and if the receiver causes the broken engagement, the engagement ring will be awarded to the giver.

For instance, in Pavlicic v. Vogtsberger, a couple was engaged. The man bought her house, two cars, and a diamond ring in anticipation of marriage. He also lent her $5,000 to buy her own business. The woman disappeared, only to resurface later having used the funds to buy a business in another city and marry another man. The court ordered all of the gifts, including the engagement ring that the man had given to her, to be given back to him.


37 posted on 09/25/2018 2:27:36 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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An idiot and a whore. When she issued “must have” ring requirements, he should have laughed and walked. And for him to marry a lawyer??? Freaking insane.


39 posted on 09/25/2018 2:30:40 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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I wouldn’t hire someone stupid enough to buy jewelry retail.


41 posted on 09/25/2018 2:34:12 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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I dated a woman who wore an engagement ring from her ex-fiancée on our first date...like a normal piece of jewelry.

When I asked why she still had it, she replied it was “a normal custom” for the woman to keep the ring.

I never saw her again...and dodged a bullet.


42 posted on 09/25/2018 2:38:22 PM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ)
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He can sue all he wants but it’s been proven time and again that an engagement ring is a gift from the would be groom to the would be bride. Sorry, he loses.


46 posted on 09/25/2018 2:47:29 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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