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A History Lesson
email | 11/2/2018 | unnown

Posted on 11/03/2018 3:13:11 AM PDT by sodpoodle

Rebuilding New Orleans after Katrina often caused residents to be challenged to prove home titles back hundreds of years. That is because of community history stretching back over two centuries during which houses were passed along through generations of family, sometimes making it quite difficult to establish a paper trail of ownership.

A New Orleans lawyer sought a FHA rebuilding loan for a client. He was told the loan would be granted upon submission of satisfactory proof of ownership of the parcel of property as it was being offered as collateral. It took the lawyer 3 months, but he was able to prove title to the property dating back to 1803. After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply.

(Actual reply from FHA

"Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented the application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear the title back to its origin."

And here is the great letter the lawyer responded with: (Actual response):

"Your letter regarding title in Case No.189156 has been received. I note that you wish to have proof of title extended further than the 206 years already covered in the present application. I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working with real property, would not know that Louisiana was purchased by the United States from France in 1803 , the year of origin of title identified in our application. For the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats, the title to the land prior to U.S. ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired it by Right of Conquest from Spain. The land came into the possession of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by the Spanish monarch, Queen Isabella. The good Queen Isabella, being a pious woman and almost as careful about titles as the FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to finance Columbus 's expedition. Now the Pope, as I'm sure you may know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and God, it is commonly accepted, created this world. Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that God also made that part of the world called Louisiana. God, therefore, would be the owner of origin and His origins date back to before the beginning of time, the world as we know it, and the FHA. I hope you find God's original claim to be satisfactory.

Now, may we have our damn reconstruction loan?"

The loan was immediately approved.


TOPICS: Education; History
KEYWORDS: housing
Not only is this one of the best e-mails I have received, it is a great history lesson.
1 posted on 11/03/2018 3:13:11 AM PDT by sodpoodle
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To: sodpoodle

Ha!


2 posted on 11/03/2018 3:27:58 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: sodpoodle

lived in Louisiana near New Orleans (Westbank), and this is exactly...perfect!


3 posted on 11/03/2018 3:56:18 AM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: sodpoodle

Loved that.


4 posted on 11/03/2018 4:28:14 AM PDT by sauropod (Yield to sin, and experience chastening and sorrow; yield to God, and experience joy and blessing.)
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To: sodpoodle

A good and fun one and, as you say, a good history lesson.

That being said, I have to believe that it is apocryphal, as a line of possession dating back to 1803, even if a case of ‘adverse possession’ would be more than sufficient. The only reason that I am commenting upon this is because I once spent a summer vacation working for a law firm in Beaufort, SC, doing land title clearing. My memories of this are strongly tinged with eye-strain and headaches.

Beaufort, and its local Sea Islands area, was plantation country prior to the 1861 US Civil War (USCW) with moderate-size slave populations. However this area became the first land retaken from the Confederacy in November of 1861 (127 years ago) and all of the plantation owners fled inland from there. During the remaining occupation and the subsequent Reconstruction Period, lots of these land titles became quite ‘cloudy’ indeed. Many of the former slaves became land owners through adverse possession but never got formal titles and were almost always subject to prejudicial treatment in the South Carolina legal system. As family members moved about in the century following the USCW, problems arose in who owned what percentage of what?

This was largely an internal and relatively minor legal problem when it only applied to internal family ownership on minimally desirable real estate. However, in the 1950s, Hilton Head Island and Beaufort County started to become very desirable real estate for good weather, lots of water-front and low taxes. Then the law firms got very big and busy in trying to clear land titles from the prior years of neglect. Wills, ‘quit claims’ and non-resident owners of dubious addresses became an ongoing problem. Land titles, hand-written in a fine ‘Edwardian Script’ that is so foreign to modern eyes, compound the difficulties in doing title searches.

Just remembering those days of musty paper and poor lighting and deciphering fading ink reminds me why I did NOT pursue a potential career. Just another story out of history.


5 posted on 11/03/2018 4:40:25 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: sodpoodle

Great! Should be in every Title Lawyer’s and land man’s file cabinet.


6 posted on 11/03/2018 5:37:01 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: sodpoodle
HERE'S a great Snopes writeup tracing this story back to at least 1936, it's probably older than that.
7 posted on 11/03/2018 5:50:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: sodpoodle

Good one, but it’s been circulating since at least the early 90s. The Hurricane Katrina addition is a nice touch, though.


8 posted on 11/03/2018 7:42:52 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Sessions couldn't find his own ass if Al Franken was grabbing it at the time ))))
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To: sodpoodle

Sorry this story so fake

I heard this exact same land title story when I took my realestate license classes in 1976 in Southern California... It’s an old realestate joke that I think anybody that ever worked in it for any length of time heard

I knew what the story was gonna say even before reddit


9 posted on 11/03/2018 8:54:20 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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