Posted on 11/22/2018 9:25:06 AM PST by Olog-hai
Science is the study of God’s creation and will always prove God and His works to be true.
Saying that “science” and the supernatural are at odds is a particularly Stalinesque/Darwinesque argument from about a hundred years ago.
Oh pagan schmagan!
The Sumerian mythology was translated from
Sumerian clay tablets dated through radio carbon dating. That does not diminish the biblical rendition in any way.
Sumerian history will confirm the Bible; but Sumerian mythos will always crib from the Bible.
The clay Tablets of Sumer were written way before there was a bible or even Jews. At least a thousand years before Abraham.
The bible recounts a summary of what happened in greater Sumeria.The Sumerian history is an actual detailed account of a battle between what then were considered “gods” of heaven and earth.
The Adam of the Bible came before the tablets of Sumer were written.
As for the “gods” or demonic hybrids before the Flood... of course they existed... though don’t look to me as one who canonizes the book of Enoch, when God did not see fit to do so Himself.
Does this possibly relate to the 2000 BCE crater that was found in the Iraq marshes after Saddam Hussein drained them? There could have been several items that fell more or less at the same time like the Shumacher-Levy train of objects the hit Jupiter in one day a few years ago.
I included a link to a topic about that, and it's well discussed in the curseofagade keyword topics, but I think that impact event was a few hundred years earlier.
Does this possibly relate to the 2000 BCE crater>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Its difficult to say because tghe dates are best estimates, we do not have a date certain yet of Sodom and Gomorah, , but according to the Sumerian history, 7 devices were dropped around the region, including Sodom and Gomorrah, so the crater may have been created by one of those devices.
I don’t think it’s a restatement but one of written perspective. The “Angel of the Lord” speaks to Abraham directly about his plans for Sodom and Gomorrah...why should Sumerian writers(probably writing decades or centuries after the fact) have known about what God said to Abraham directly and similarly why should Abraham have been told of the the coming destruction of the cities of Mesopotamia...which now makes sense of the story as to why Abraham was told to leave UR instead of God making a great nation with Abraham’s descendants right there in good old Mesopotamia. Why make Abraham move?.... because God was going to wreak great destruction in that area. Abraham lived to be 175 years so his life span could have straddled over the major events of that time.
That crater could have been dated a little earlier or later especially if nuclear elements had been involved since dating the site by isotopic means would have been negated by any nuclear fallout or even meteoric means. One is left trying to use weathering factors but that also means you need to fudge and accept a plus or minus factor. If there is truth about linking the Mesopotamian destruction with the cities of the “ticar” plain on the Northeast coast of the Dead Sea at the mouth of the Jordan then the best dating seems to come in at about 1770 bc. Oh and the Minoan civilization was also taken out about that time...hmmmmm! No wonder the Bible speaks of Sodom and Gomorrah being examples to the nations of God’s judgment.
I was checking on dates and events of Egypt’s First Intermediate Period and the Ipuwer Papyrus. It seems there were two world affecting events/periods around 2000 BCE. The first was about 150 to 200 years earlier. I ran across information about impact craters found in Argentina that seemed to make sense at the time as possible causes.
The Ipuwer Papyrus refers to events of the 2nd IP, The Exodus.
That must be why you insist the Earth is flat, huh? Flat-Earth jackoff. You're pushing that lie as part of your false eschatology, trying to drag the unsuspecting down to Hell with you and your master, Satan.
Instead of some internet nutjob (you, in case that's too subtle), I'll stick with Thomas Aquinas, who understood and declared that there are different kinds of knowledge and different ways to reach them.
I looked at 4 references under Ipuwer, and they all speak of Ipuwer’s writings as being centuries before the papyrus that was found. The papyrus was found around the time of the 2nd IP which was also before the time of Exodus. I am sure Egypt has had more than one emergency that turned the river red with dust or algae (phisteria) that was toxic to man and animals.
http://www.ancientpages.com/2017/08/07/ipuwer-papyrus-report-ancient-catastrophe/
Below is an interesting evaluation of the 1st IP as a period of cultural change when wealth and material goods became more commonly available. Ipuwer is evaluated as someone lamenting the fact that the kings, etc. had less absolute power and therefore order than during the IP. Also that he wrote decades after this period in a state of nostalgia. There are almost no written records of that period. Some of the dates give in this article seem a little earlier than dates I have seen elsewhere for the same events. Personally, I think some bad stuff really did happen, but did not last for many decades at a time.
https://www.ancient.eu/First_Intermediate_Period_of_Egypt/
The papyrus was found around the time of the 2nd IP which was also before the time of Exodus.
It was found in modern times, wrongly attributed to the 1st intermediate period, but best of all, the document is not that old, so the claim is, that it is a 2nd IP era copy of a 1st IP document. That's not credible. It is so obviously in reference to the events of the Ten Plagues, any connection with the 2nd IP has been rejected to undermine the historical content of the Old Testament.
I am sure Egypt has had more than one emergency that turned the river red with dust or algae (phisteria) that was toxic to man and animals.
That's a fine speculation, but there is just the one written record, and that's Ipuwer's. The faulty dating was accepted by Donovan Courville ("The Exodus Problem and Its Ramifications") leading him (or helping to, anyway) to telescope the two "kingdoms" (Old and Middle) into one thing.
LOL. You are choosing liberal, Islam loving Statist NASA, who have repeatedly said that they have lost the technology to go to the moon and have NEVER taken an actual photograph (by their own admission) of the earth from space? (All photoshopped composites)...?
LOL again.
Denying God the glory in His own Creation seems to be your go-to position. While I love Aquinas for the most part, I’ll stick with Jesus Christ as the “Word made Flesh”:
May the Lord rebuke you, Satan.
I believe that Abraham was supposed to be in the 1800s BCE and the Sumerians were before 2000 BCE, thus living well before the fact. The Minoan civilization was taken out during the 1600’s BCE by the effects of Thera volcano. I also read an article in an old National Geographic about the search for a large meteor chunk (dinner table size) in southern Saudi Arabia. When it was found it was dated to a post Jesus date, and the Arabs said it came down to destroy a wicked city. Whenever anything goes wrong there are those who will say it is God’s judgement for wickedness. I seem to remember such comments for New Orleans and Katrina.
NASA, who have repeatedly said that they have lost the technology to go to the moon.
Another one of your lies.
...and have NEVER taken an actual photograph (by their own admission) of the earth from space?
Another one of your lies.
Denying God the glory in His own Creation seems to be your go-to position.
Not even once, but then everything you say is a lie, so no surprise there. Lying is the constant go-to position of liberal, Islam loving statists, like you.
Abraham lived 175 years so that he spanned the years from 2000 BCE to the 1800’s. Dating techniques are not precise especially where high heat/radioactivity might have been involved. The dates of the Minoan Destruction are interesting since some have dated the Santorini explosion as late as 1450 BC or as early as 1700’s. The archeologists will have to argue over that one.
The Arabs might have been right about other “meteors” coming down to destroy a wicked city. Even Revelation mentions a great meteor that will come down and hit the oceans causing all loss of sea life and a great destruction of many of the world’s ships. There is also the matter of another object “Wormwood” that falls to Earth which has the affect of poisoning 1/3rd of the world’s fresh water.
So The Bible gives two prophecies of destructive meteors so it is not Biblically inaccurate to suggest that Sodom and Gommorah and the Mesopotamian cities might have been destroyed by them. Abraham was moved from Ur by his father and then from Haran by God somewhere just shy of the 2000BCE mark( to protect Abraham from what was coming) and would have died somewhere just shy of the early 1800’s. As dating is not a precise art and high heat and radioactivity might affect dating...there you go. Slide the “dating” slide rule 100-150 years back and forth as you will and the plausibility of dating many of these events and tying them together as being contemporary to each other become apparent.
The big hit in the Empty Quarter in Arabia... the folklore (which doesn't really use dates that much anyway, anywhere it is relied on) didn't pan out, but led to a search for the vanished town, which turned out to have faded and been abandoned due to economic reasons, and I think the book is, uh, around here somewhere, I'm drawing a blank on the name of the town. The big rock to which the demise had been attributed turns out to have fallen from the sky, which fits, but the era it fell and the terminal decline of the town turned out to be much different, alas.
Whenever anything goes wrong there are those who will say it is God’s judgement for wickedness. I seem to remember such comments for New Orleans and Katrina.
Considering how long I've been hanging around here, it's strange that I don't remember anything like that. I do remember the liberal [redacted characterization]s saying Florida deserved this or that hurricane because of the 2000 Gore fiasco, because there are demagogues who think President Bush (or any Republican all the way back to Abraham Lincoln) causes the hurricanes to get worse as soon as they're elected, even before they're sworn in.
The Akkadians, ancestors to the Assyrians, were Semitic people who adapted the Sumerians' cuneiform writing (which was a highly adaptable writing system, it impresses me no end that it was in use for 3000 years, and used for a lot of different and often unrelated languages, about the length of time alphabetic script has been in use (though it didn't really catch on right away). The Sumerians seem to have just faded away, probably more a birthrate thing, as they were no less warlike than the Akkadians, and the Akkadians seem to have admired a lot of their culture, which they borrowed.
from earlier: At Platanos on Crete, a seal of the Hammurabi type was discovered in a tomb together with Middle Minoan pottery of a kind associated at other sites with objects of the Twelfth Egyptian Dynasty, more exactly, of its earlier part. This is regarded as proof that these two dynasties were contemporaneous... however... At Mari on the central Euphrates, among other rich material, a cuneiform tablet was found which established that Hammurabi of Babylonia and King Shamshi-Adad I of Assyria were contemporaries. An oath was sworn by the life of these two kings in the tenth year of Hammurabi, The finds at Mari "proved conclusively that Hammurabi came to the throne in Babylonia after the accession of Shamshi-Adad I in Assyria"... The Khorsabad list ends in the tenth year of Assur-Nerari V, which is computed to have been -745... the first year of Shamshi-Adad is calculated to have been -1726 and his last year -1694... it reduced the time of Hammurabi from the twenty-first century to the beginning of the seventeenth century... "a puzzling chronological discrepancy", which could only be resolved by making Hammurabi later than Amenemhet I of the Twelfth Dynasty..
In the days before find after find eroded away the conventional pseudochronology, there were said to have been three Sargons -- Sargon the Great of Akkad, Sargon I, and Sargon II. Turned out one of them was a phantom living in the imaginary ghost centuries. The old classic by Roux, I think it was, shows the three of them.
There is no connection between the quite fictional supereruption of Thera in the mid-2nd m BC and Minoan decline, and the proposed redatings by Manning et al make that particular idea even less tenable, as the supposed eruption antedates by nearly 200 years the burning and/or sacking that ended the palatial period. That would mean that the alleged eruption had literally no effect at all on the Minoans, which is mighty hard to explain. Also difficult for the eruptologists is that the purported tsunami -- which is unattested, despite straw-clutching claims -- would have been pointed at mainland Greece, and, bupkis. It was the Mycenaean Greeks who came over and pulverized then replaced the Minoans.
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