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Was Baseball Legend Ty Cobb Really a Murderous Maniac? There's the Myth and There's the Reality
American Thinker ^ | 12/13/2018 | Will Brewster

Posted on 12/13/2018 7:14:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind

He was the first inductee into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame and the sport's first national icon. Over 92 years after his retirement from the game, he still holds records for highest career batting average (.367), most career batting titles (12), and highest combined total of runs scored and runs batted in (4,065).

When searching through the MLB record books, his name cannot be missed, as he is credited with setting over 90 throughout his career. He is undoubtedly one of the most accomplished and electrifying athletes ever to live. His name is Ty Cobb, and despite his hard work, winner mentality, and legendary achievements on the field, he is remembered as being an anti-social racist, bigot, dirty player, and downright awful human being.

Every student of the game knows the old stories. Ty Cobb once stabbed a black waiter to death just because of his skin color and got away with it. Ty Cobb would get drunk after ballgames, take to the streets, and pistol-whip every black person he came across. Ty Cobb intentionally ended the careers of other players, spiking them hard in the legs, often leaving them with lower leg injuries they could not come back from. In fact, Ty Cobb would sharpen his spikes before games for the sole purpose of harming opposing infielders. In short, Ty Cobb was mean-spirited, hated humanity, and had no friends by his side.

As a lifelong baseball fan, I believed these stories, as they seemed to be the general consensus in every book on baseball history that I read. The media also sold this narrative. In the famous movie Field of Dreams, Shoeless Joe Jackson states that Ty Cobb was not invited to play in the reunion game because "no one liked the son of a b----."

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TOPICS: History; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; tycobb

1 posted on 12/13/2018 7:14:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Appears he isn’t. Not too likable. Some people also. Some folks are so focused on winning they block out humanity.


2 posted on 12/13/2018 7:19:19 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cobb’s reputation is fake news, in other words.

Admittedly I had never heard most of these false allegations, but the “sharpened spikes” one I certainly had.


3 posted on 12/13/2018 7:24:11 AM PST by babble-on
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To: DIRTYSECRET

From the article: “...shocking stories spiraled out of control, as repetition started to pass for evidence...”

Gee, that sounds familiar for some reason.


4 posted on 12/13/2018 7:25:27 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: SeekAndFind; DIRTYSECRET

Sorry, I meant to post to SeekAndFind, not that it really matters.


5 posted on 12/13/2018 7:27:53 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: HartleyMBaldwin; SeekAndFind; DIRTYSECRET

So basically, this Al stump character slandered and libeled Ty Cobb, and it got accepted as fact, since Cobb died and couldn’t defend himself.


6 posted on 12/13/2018 7:30:23 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: babble-on
Admittedly I had never heard most of these false allegations,

I have and to tell the truth, I believed them. There was never any evidence not to believe them. Well, I'm certainly glad to have read this articl........Once again, I learn something new.

7 posted on 12/13/2018 7:31:38 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: SeekAndFind

btt


8 posted on 12/13/2018 7:32:26 AM PST by KSCITYBOY (The media is corrupt)
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To: NFHale

That’s about it.


9 posted on 12/13/2018 7:34:41 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: SeekAndFind
"His grandfather refused to fight for the Confederacy due to its stance on slavery."

This has the potential to twist a lot of knickers on FR.

10 posted on 12/13/2018 7:38:30 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: babble-on
I'm not sure, but suspect it was Charles Leerhsen, the authorized biographer, about whom a movie was made back in the 1980s, who brought out the human side of Cobb. He spend several months with Cobb in 1959-61 to gain his confidence. It was never a hit movie, but seemed to be well-documented.

Cobb knew his days were numbered, was both wealthy (mostly from investing in Coca-Cola stock) and famous. Leerhsen (if it was him) wanted to sell Cobb on getting out an authorized biography, which wasn't easy. Lots of people wanted to make money off Cobb and he wasn't one to trust people easily. Eventually, the writer earns Cobb's trust after a number of sharp confrontations.

Everyone has a human side and Cobb's comes out in the movie. He did admit to killing a guy who tried to rob him walking home from Tiger Stadium early one evening in 1913 or 1914. Cobb left a statement with the local police station and the incident was recorded as a case of justified self-defense. The perp had a knife and Cobb ended up using it on him, nothing more.

Almost everyone sharpened their spikes in those days. It was considered partly routine maintenance; partly to intimidate opposing infielders. In the era, HoF member Nap Lajoie, was as famous for doing it as Cobb. But Lajoie cultivated the press while Cobb shunned them, so the stories grew and got exaggereated over the years.

Remember also that in 1959-61, the civil rights movement was in its infancy and far from the mainstream. So while Cobb bantied about the n***** word as much as any other Georgian did in that era, he was far from the bigot protrayed. In fact, before he sets up his trust to build a major hospital addition for his hometown of Royston, Georgia, he makes sure that they agree to treat n***** patients with the same care they will treat whites. That's hardly a mark of a bigot, particularly given the time and place.

11 posted on 12/13/2018 7:49:44 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: SeekAndFind
One of the books I am currently reading is Ty Cobb, A Terrible Beauty by Charles Leerhsen. I does a fair job of showing why he was falsely painted as a racist, nasty player and shows him in a good fair portrait.

Starting with the fact that he was a son of a southern gentleman who started his national fame as an 18 year old, it is easy to see why Ty did not fit into the normal mode. He hit national prominence in the year his mother killed his father in an incident that never made much sense. While plainly short tempered in an era of brawlers, Ty Cobb was hardly the character that he was painted. This is one of the two biographies of the last five years that was issued and has seemed to balance the record. There is a new book out referring to his alleged racist leanings in its title and as the word had no meaning in that era, I am dismissing it for now.

12 posted on 12/13/2018 7:55:13 AM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke

The way Cobb approached the game (in his mind) says something. It is something like a war.


13 posted on 12/13/2018 9:18:07 AM PST by t4texas (If you can't run with the big dogs . . . STAY ON THE PORCH!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He paid for a hospital to be built in his home town. Not the actions of a psychopath.


14 posted on 12/13/2018 11:29:53 AM PST by Midwesterner53
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To: Joe 6-pack

Cobb was from the mountains of NE GA where slavery was almost nonexistent and union sentiment was very strong.


15 posted on 12/13/2018 11:31:15 AM PST by Midwesterner53
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