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One of Stephen Hawking's Most Famous Theories About Black Holes Just Suffered a Huge Blow
www.livescience.com ^ | April 25, 2019 07:15am ET | By Meredith Fore

Posted on 04/25/2019 7:37:31 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: discostu

Most of the folks in the dark matter world are pretty straight up with the fact that it’s basically fudge factor.


That’s how I think of it. Like the original appearance of the Cosmological Constant it is the number that has to be plugged in to make the math work.


61 posted on 04/25/2019 8:48:23 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: I want the USA back

Do numbers involving the square root of 1 exist & do they reflect reality?


62 posted on 04/25/2019 8:48:55 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Thank you I will review this and study on it.


63 posted on 04/25/2019 8:49:13 AM PDT by rebel25 (GOD, Family, guns, and duck hunting, everything else is just noise.)
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To: thoughtomator

“Dark matter” is the Aether of our time...............


64 posted on 04/25/2019 8:49:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Reily

I don’t think math makes those kinds of predictions. There are certainly cases, though, where someone worked out certain kinds of mathematics as a theoretical exercise, and then we only later discovered real world applications that the math described.


65 posted on 04/25/2019 8:53:42 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Red Badger

As long as were aren’t being consumed by strangelets, I’m good.


66 posted on 04/25/2019 8:54:42 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

I can think of many characterizations of physicists, but “humble” is not one of them. They will intellectually burn anyone at the stake who questions materialist dogma.


67 posted on 04/25/2019 8:56:34 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: tophat9000; thoughtomator
Isn't any sufficiently incomprehensible phenomenon indistinguishable from metaphysics?

Discus and give examples.

68 posted on 04/25/2019 8:57:14 AM PDT by x
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To: thoughtomator

Black holes are real. Maybe you missed the news from a couple weeks ago, but scientists have directly imaged one now.


69 posted on 04/25/2019 8:58:13 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Boogieman

I believe we’re at the equivalent of an end-of-geocentrism moment.

As accurate as Ptolemy’s epicycles may have been, they were not a correct physical description of the real world universe.

What is going on now, primarily, are the specification of the modern equivalent of epicycles in extraordinary - yet still incorrect - detail.

We have enormous evidence that the Big Bang cannot be true. It requires many absurdities to set up; it requires absurdities to maintain. It conflicts with what we can prove about quantum mechanics, and pushes its uncertainty into structureless phenomena that can’t be observed and thus cannot be falsified.

Today we have reached a point where 97% of the universe is said to be made of non-falsifiable stuff. This cries out for new explanations - explanations that will not be had by further pursuit of epicycles.


70 posted on 04/25/2019 8:59:43 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The Clinton Coup attempt was a worse attack on the USA than was 9/11)
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To: dinodino

they imaged a plasmoid, discussed earlier in this thread


71 posted on 04/25/2019 9:01:30 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The Clinton Coup attempt was a worse attack on the USA than was 9/11)
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To: Red Badger

Strange to see this headline so close to a story about Stacey Abrams.


72 posted on 04/25/2019 9:02:27 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Trump is Making the Media Grate Again)
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To: Red Badger

Perhaps Don Lemon can provide additional valuable insights on black holes.


73 posted on 04/25/2019 9:05:49 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: x

That is my central argument - if the metaphysics is wrong, the physics derived from it will be wrong.

If the metaphysics says that lightning is caused by the gods being angry, you’re not going to end up with electricity.


74 posted on 04/25/2019 9:09:41 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The Clinton Coup attempt was a worse attack on the USA than was 9/11)
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To: Red Badger

[[The Hyper Suprime-Cam (HSC) digital camera on the Subaru]]

Awesome, I’m looking to buy a subaru for my next car


75 posted on 04/25/2019 9:13:09 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434

It’s an option, not standard equipment................


76 posted on 04/25/2019 9:16:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Bob434

Subaru is the Japanese word for the Pleiades Constellation...........


77 posted on 04/25/2019 9:16:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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To: Red Badger

ah crap- guess i’;ll have to save a little more money before my next purchase then, or just choose that instead of the gps navigator


78 posted on 04/25/2019 9:17:44 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Boogieman

Math is a structured “precise” terse way of thinking that allows models to be built of the physical world. The models are built using known physical facts and as well as assumptions (depends on the problem!). Its true you don’t need the physical world to build “models” (pure mathematics) but its often the motivator. Back to mathematics modeling the physical world, quite often in manipulating the equations (model) new possible “physical properties” which you can (hopefully) design an experiment to test, example neutrinos. Right now given our current level of knowledge & engineering capability we have situations particularly in cosmology where no experiment can be designed. So do we stop? Throw up our hands and say we give up! No because continued thinking building on past knowledge and “manipulation” as some put it will eventually (hopefully) to a way to do an experiment that might tie it all together. Even if the “manipulations” produce nothing in the near term except mathematics quite often that math finds uses in other fields. For example George Boole’s effort to model “thinking” produced Boolean Algebra, try doing a computer design without it!. Abstract algebra existed in many forms prior to computers but you need parts of it for compiler design. Consider Topology there’s a esoteric mathematics field - sub-discipline of it graph Theory useful for power engineering and anything where connecting things together subject to constraints is necessary. Even some String Theory ideas are finding useful application in theoretical materials science. I could go on!


79 posted on 04/25/2019 9:18:57 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Bob434

Subaru has a really nice sports car...............


80 posted on 04/25/2019 9:20:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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