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Are we supposed to go to war against Turkey?

Posted on 10/21/2019 4:41:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: SkyDancer

I don’t know if Turks have Turkeys other than Erdogan, and he doesn’t look very appetizing to me.

As for airmen, I do on believe Incirlik AFB has a few thousand.


41 posted on 10/21/2019 5:57:44 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: MrEdd
If we just leave, NATO is insolvent without enough trained troops to do much.

I'm trying to figure out what and who needs NATO protection.

42 posted on 10/21/2019 5:58:40 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: fieldmarshaldj

More like getting a duck gun and try to shoot her off her broom........


43 posted on 10/21/2019 6:06:08 PM PDT by Viking2002 (WARNING: Eating too much oatmeal can make you look like Wilford Brimley.)
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To: Viking2002

It’s probably to your credit that you haven’t had relations with any penguins. :)


44 posted on 10/21/2019 6:09:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye
Oooo, you mean there are penguins down there? 😆
45 posted on 10/21/2019 6:11:49 PM PDT by Viking2002 (WARNING: Eating too much oatmeal can make you look like Wilford Brimley.)
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To: Jim Robinson
This is why (again) the war power is vested in Congress.

Allowing Congress to goad a President into war while reserving the right to bitch about it constantly, as if it had nothing to do with THEM, is a formula for disaster.

On December 8, 1941, Congress did two things in its declaration of war.

1) It DIRECTED the President to use the armed forces raised and provided for BY CONGRESS to wage war on Japan, and 2) It PLEDGED the entire resources of the country to insure victory.

The fact that a President must have authority to respond to inbound missiles has been transformed into carte blanche to attack anyone, any where, any time, but a little known aspect of this Presidential freedom is that it allows the responsible party (Congress) to evade facing the voters over war and peace.

The unconstitutional War Powers act should be repealed or overturned by the courts, and the war power should return to where it belongs - to the People (the House) and the States (the Senate).

46 posted on 10/21/2019 6:15:03 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Viking2002

My powers of prognostication see you reincarnating as a man by the name of James Tiberius Kirk. You will travel a lot. lol

{apologies in advance to the penguins}


47 posted on 10/21/2019 6:21:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Robert DeLong
I spent a week at Nellis with an airman that guarded nukes standing over me with an M4. (Of course there are no nukes at Nellis.)
What makes you think their are nukes at Incirlik?
48 posted on 10/21/2019 6:22:25 PM PDT by SanchoP
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To: Jim Robinson

Rush dealt with this quite extensively today and said he will continue it into tomorrow. He has an interesting take on this subject.

His opinion on the matter is, that BOTH SIDES of the aisle have very deep end extensive financial interests in the Military Industrial Complex.

He detailed the ties to the huge profits involved in that. And, how the fortunes of a great many powerful people in and out of gov’t are tied up in it.

And, concluded the program today saying President Trump is the first President in many many decades that represents a very real threar to that money as he said that he knows President Trump is sincere in his desire to extricate the USA from all the myriad wars with no strategy to win and no intention of our gov’t or the political generals/admirals in the Pentagon to actually formulate any winning strategy.

As a veteran with 26 years of service I must admit that I agree with Limbaughs overall premise with regards to the max. volume howling and faux outrage over the pull out of a small number of troops in northern Syria.

It is completely unbalanced and, as we say, you take the most flack when you’re over the target. President Trump’s instincts have once again struck a major nerve in The Swamp.


49 posted on 10/21/2019 7:01:43 PM PDT by ocrp1982 (Lurking since the late 90's. Recently retired. No tagline yet.)
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To: SanchoP
It's only been reported several times. Now it's true I can't confirm those reports, but the reports come from several sources.

See for yourself.

Any other questions?

50 posted on 10/21/2019 7:08:31 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

I absolutely positively am in awe of your ability to find one of America’s most closely guarded secrets with a Google search but I don’t do Google now or ever.


51 posted on 10/21/2019 7:36:03 PM PDT by SanchoP
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To: McGruff

From the Fraggles.
Clearly Mitt Romney and Nancy Pelosi fear that the oil fields might fall into their muppety hands.


52 posted on 10/21/2019 7:46:06 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: Jim Robinson
Just to repeat:
There's only one attribute (IMHO) that needs to be assessed to determine if we really are going to make a decision to go to war in the middle east again...

If only moslems are fighting and no American lives are threatened, why would we have a difficult time choosing between

  1. More American fighting men & women injured or killed; or,

  2. Minding our business and don't get in the way of thousands and thousands of murderous moslem butchers murdering thousands and thousands of other murderous moslem butchers??

Apparently there are a lot of people trying to make up their minds...

53 posted on 10/21/2019 8:26:31 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Kurds have been a thorny problem for decades and the conflict that is emerging now was inevitable once Saddam’s boot was lifted off their neck. In the years since the US deposed the tyrant who was oppressing them, they have got used to the autonomy and aren’t likely to give it up without a fight.


54 posted on 10/21/2019 8:45:14 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Jim Robinson

Not only are they okay with sending us to die for their pipeline deal, they were willing to help Hillary get in office and spark off war with Russia for some reason.
I’m still curious about her bellicose statements for war with Russia in the run-up to the ‘16 election.
I also note that good decent quotes of those can be hard to come by and no single collection of them exist.


55 posted on 10/21/2019 11:07:46 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No.

But the opposite question can be asked. If we still sit anywhere in Syria, for any reason, and we (any of our forces) are attacked by Turkey (or the terrorist gangs it is using) then what? Turkey’s offense is “legitimate” because “we don’t belong in Syria” but Turkey does?? And Turkey can do whatever it wants in Syria?? Why?

If Syria is a failed state, then how is one third party nation’s intrusion in such a state legitimate, and another’s not.

It seems to me the only outside state that has any legitimacy to be in Syria is the one state that has made agreements to be in Syria with the still standing government of Syria, and that’s Russia - like it or not.

But are we to instead move that Assad is not the legitimate government of Syria??, then where in the hell are we, back at regime change against Assad??

No. Syria a destabilized state, yes, but it is still a state, and however rumpled still has a government.

But of it become ungovernable by the government of Syria and was overrun by ISIS. We, the U.S, assisted the people in that ungoverned part of Syria, invited in by those people, helping to assist them in getting rid of ISIS and establishing some administration over the area of Syria they liberated from ISIS.

We were at least invited in, by the people there. Turkey was not.

Turkey was never after ISIS in Syria. Turkey helped ISIS in Syria. That was AGAINST the people of northern Syria - Kurd, Arab and otherwise.

No. We do not need to go to war against Turkey, unless that is that Turkey decides it can do whatever the hell it wants and we (our people) get hit. Then it becomes a matter of Turkey making war outsdide its own territory, against us.

We, the U.S., is not the agressor. Right now Turkey is.


56 posted on 10/22/2019 9:39:29 AM PDT by Wuli
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Thanks JimRob. We won’t be. Erdogan’s manhood is in a vise now, but having witnessed his behavior for years now, he’ll just scowl harder and keep doing the same things. And alas, whatever follows Erdogan is going to be worse.

Erdogan Seeks Putin’s Support to Carve Out Syrian Buffer Zone
https://www.wsj.com/articles/erdogan-seeks-putins-support-to-carve-out-syrian-buffer-zone-11571737838

Russia, Turkey hold talks on future of border region
https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/German-defense-minister-proposes-security-zone-14552134.php

Erdogan Criticizes Western Allies Over Syrian Operation Ahead of Putin Meeting
https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/erdogan-criticizes-western-allies-over-syrian-operation-ahead-putin-meeting


57 posted on 10/22/2019 10:12:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: ImpBill

I do so agree. Our family has lost wonderful young men, from WWI right up to WOT, 9-11. I wonder how many congress critters can say that?


58 posted on 10/22/2019 10:32:33 AM PDT by miserare ( Indict Hillary!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Are we supposed to go to war against Turkey?
Not until Thanksgiving!


59 posted on 10/22/2019 2:26:00 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....)
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