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First long-term estimates suggest link between cholesterol levels and risk of heart disease and stroke (triglycerides) (Low Carb/Keto)
The Lancet ^ | December 5, 2019 | Many

Posted on 12/26/2019 9:27:41 PM PST by ConservativeMind

The most comprehensive analysis of its kind suggests that there is a strong link between non-HDL cholesterol levels and long-term risk for cardiovascular disease in people aged under 45 years, not just at older ages.

The amount of non-HDL cholesterol and low-density lipoproteins (LDL) in the blood are accepted as causal risk factors for cardiovascular disease, and play a significant part in predicting a person's risk of developing cardiovascular disease.

Using their data, the authors assessed and confirmed the long-term association between cholesterol levels and cardiovascular event risk. The model also estimated how much risk could be reduced if non-HDL cholesterol levels were halved (the authors note that the 50% reduction was hypothetical and not based on specific estimates or treatments).

"Our estimates suggest that halving non-HDL cholesterol levels may be associated with reduced risk of cardiovascular events by the age of 75 years, and that this reduction in risk is larger the sooner cholesterol levels are reduced. The risk scores currently used in the clinic to decide whether a person should have lipid-lowering treatment only assess the risk of cardiovascular disease over 10 years, and so may underestimate lifetime risk, particularly in young people," says Professor Stefan Blankenberg, German Center for Cardiovascular Research, Germany.

"The novelty of Brunner and colleagues' findings arises from projecting the effect of beginning cholesterol-lowering therapy early in life. Such therapy could reduce the lifetime risk of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease in patients with increased concentrations of non-HDL and LDL cholesterol, especially when risk is further amplified by the presence of comorbid factors. Lowering cholesterol with more intensive therapy is also supported by findings that generic statins are cost-saving or highly cost-effective even for primary prevention in patients at low risk of cardiovascular disease."

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: atkins; lowcarb; southbeach
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It is interesting to note that normally “non-HDL cholesterol” INCLUDES LDL. But twice in this wrote up, they state LDL separate from “non-HDL” cholesterol.

For practical purposes, this means “triglycerides” and possibly V-LDL.

You immediately lower triglycerides by lowering only carbs.

1 posted on 12/26/2019 9:27:41 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

Well think about it.

A high carb low protein/fat diet is fed to feed animals in order to put weight on fast,

and it’s the very same damn diet fedgov say we need to eat to stay fit and healthy.

Bullshiite on fedgov.


2 posted on 12/26/2019 9:31:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BobL

Ping to you.


3 posted on 12/26/2019 9:44:56 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
“But twice in this WRITE up...” I need to stop using my phone for everything... ☺️
4 posted on 12/26/2019 9:47:22 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

*** A high carb low protein/fat diet is fed to feed animals in order to put weight on fast,and it’s the very same damn diet fedgov say we need to eat.... ***

Thank you for the flashback “ ‘To Serve Man’ is a Cookbook!”


5 posted on 12/26/2019 9:53:28 PM PST by sockmonkey (I am an America First, not Israel First FReeper.)
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To: sockmonkey

Break it down for me brother. You saying beer and T-bone steak? Man that’s living.


6 posted on 12/26/2019 10:12:10 PM PST by Equine1952 ((You can die on your feet or live down on your knees. You can not do both. Freedom Is not Free))
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To: ConservativeMind

“All to sell you more statin drugs, my dear.” I’ve seen it all over many years as a Certified Diabetes Educator R.N. Big Pharma Profits. Lower the goal numbers and sell more drugs. The true risk factor is vascular inflammatory processes. And no, triglycerides are not cholesterol. They do not fit in the category of non-HDL cholesterol. Triglycerides are a separate product. LDL is the major non-HDL blood component. VLDL is next but very small compared to LDL and other non-HDLs are so low in number as to be not practical to measure. It is true that high carbs increase triglyceride levels. Triglycerides are made by the liver, converting excess intake into storable fat. Nevertheless, high protein and high fat diets present issues of their own. Balance! Regular, frequent exercise especially after eating (not heavy...just a short walk will do). Keeping self-produced insulin levels down by post-meal physical activity is the best way to achieve health by preventing the effects of too much insulin. High insulin levels cause overgrowth of tissue in the body...fat storage, junk in the arteries, and also several types of serious cancer....colon, breast, prostate, kidney to name the proven ones. Enough for now.


7 posted on 12/26/2019 10:18:33 PM PST by Bravada (Wherever I Stand, I Stand With Israel!)
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To: Equine1952

No beer. No alcohol. No carbs. Water is good.


8 posted on 12/26/2019 11:21:07 PM PST by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: Bravada

Just sayin...keto is not a high protein diet. It’s moderate protien, higher fats. It forces your body to consume the over abundance of stored liver fat as well as other body fats. Your body learns to burn fat instead of demanding carbs. When I adjust to the keto diet my insulin demands go way down...like 3/4. Statins can only treat symptoms while causing dementia..brain is cholesterol..they don’t address the problem.

The problem i tend to have with keto is the relatively restrictive array of foods. After a while I begin to feel vitamin deprived..and while i like green veg, i need to include some yellows in there too. And then the carb cravings begin. The proof is in the blood sugar tests.

Trying to find that happy balance is a tightrope walk.


9 posted on 12/26/2019 11:34:36 PM PST by PrairieLady2
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To: ConservativeMind

Enjoy life. You only die once.


10 posted on 12/26/2019 11:47:26 PM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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The point is to enjoy the last ten years of your life, however long it may be.


11 posted on 12/26/2019 11:59:02 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ConservativeMind

Pop four pills of Vascepa a day. And until all prescription drug insurance companies make it a tier one available drug get yourself some OTC pure EPA Omega 3 fish oil capsules. Omegavia EPA 500 as an example. The presence of DHA Omega 3 is what you want to avoid as it neutralizes the positive cardiac properties of EPA.


12 posted on 12/27/2019 12:03:33 AM PST by DAC21 ( and Naflet)
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“All to sell you more statin drugs, my dear.”

Statinc can cause bad decision making with elders...see FDA announcements on this

Statin Side Effects – New FDA Warnings

Possible Statin Side Effects: Memory Loss, High Blood Sugar, Diabetes

The Food and Drug Administration recently announced that statin drugs, used by millions of Americans to lower cholesterol, must carry warnings on their labels about the following potential side effects:

Memory loss and mental confusion
Risk of high blood sugar
Risk of being diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes

“The value of statins in preventing heart disease has been clearly established,” said Amy G. Egan, M.D., M.PH., deputy director for safety in FDA’s Division of Metabolism and Endocrinology Products. “Their benefit is indisputable, but they need to be taken with care and knowledge of their side effects.”

13 posted on 12/27/2019 12:05:44 AM PST by spokeshave (If anything, Trump is guilty of attempting to obstruct injustice.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Humans can’t survive without ample healthy cholesterol. Cells require healthy cholesterol for renewal and food. The liver creates cholesterol from lipoproteins and fats, either stored or ingested.

When a liver gets too much sugar it starts producing attenuated amounts of cholesterol, mostly compact low density lipoprotein (VLDL). Because production is attenuated the blood fills with unused fat in the form of triglycerides. So high levels of triglycerides and VLDL’s are bad indicators.

The same glycation which causes liver attenuation hardens artery walls. Artery walls become britt!e, and crack when the heart pumps. VLDL particles build up in the cracks until they cause blockages.

Statins are ineffective, and have been associated with cancer. Stop ingesting carbohydrates. Replace your carbohydrates with fats.


14 posted on 12/27/2019 12:08:01 AM PST by nagant
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To: DAC21
And until all prescription drug insurance companies make it a tier one available drug get yourself some OTC pure EPA Omega 3 fish oil capsules.

I get omega-3 fish oil by prescription, with no out of pocket cost. I have Tricare.

15 posted on 12/27/2019 2:36:19 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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To: nagant

Excellent post.


16 posted on 12/27/2019 3:08:54 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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To: nagant

I was just prescribed a statin because of inherited high levels of lp(a).

Because I don’t have high cholesterol and my good cholesterol is great, I’m kind of nervous about taking it. When I questioned it as statins don’t lower lp(a) my cardiologist consulted with a cardiologist at Mayo Clinic and they confirmed that it is how they treat those with elevated lp(a).

From what I can tell, the idea is that less ldl means there is less for the lp(a) to cling to.

I’m 45 and don’t look like a typical cardiology patient. It’s all because of genetics. I have a heart scan in 2 weeks to see if/how much blockage there is. My younger brother died instantly from a heart attack this fall leaving me as the only one in my immediate family to not have had a massive heart attack.

While I do have the high lp(a), I’m the only one who limits sugar and bad fats in my diet and have done so for the past 14 years. I was prescribed Lipitor yesterday so haven’t taken it yet. I just don’t know what is the right thing to do.


17 posted on 12/27/2019 4:26:50 AM PST by NorthstarMom
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To: deweyfrank

later


18 posted on 12/27/2019 4:34:34 AM PST by deweyfrank (Nobody's Perfect)
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To: dfwgator
however long it may be.

So some ten years are longer than other ten years?

19 posted on 12/27/2019 4:59:49 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: nagant
Also, the next step after glycation, is the uptake of Calcium into the atherosclerotic deposits.

This is actually reversible with high dose vitamin K in conjunction with vitamin D. Vitamin K is best absorbed when taken with fat, as it is fat-soluble.

20 posted on 12/27/2019 5:01:47 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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