Posted on 01/26/2020 1:18:30 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
Yep, the irony... Although we may only guess would it end any better for Germany if there was no Lenin.
It’s not a separate issue. The Soviets were absolute butchers. You can’t separate the red army from the subjugation of marxism. No country occupied by the USSR should have gratitude for the police state that were imposed on them.
Ask Witold Pilecki about the Soviets, oh wait, you can’t, they murdered him.
Not true. You are saying that because there was a Cold War, you were on the opposite side and that was a narrative.
Regular Soviet soldiers and even most of their commanders weren’t Communists and didn’t care about the politics. They fought the Nazis not over politics.
Eastern Europe survived under Soviet-backed regimes and in many senses in better shape than Western Europe which was US-dominated.
Pilecky was sentenced by the Polish court. The Polish decided he was a traitor.
“Eastern Europe survived under Soviet-backed regimes and in many senses in better shape than Western Europe which was US-dominated.”
Would you mind providing single metric supporting your claim that Eastern Europe under Soviet occupation survived in better shape then Western Europe?
Look at what is happening in Germany and Sweden. Then at Poland and Hungary.
Stalin was at the gates of Warsaw and encouraged the Poles to start fighting the Germans there. Then Stalin stopped advancing for three weeks so the Germans and Poles would kill each other. That’s how.
What exactly is wrong with it? Are you hinting Russia is guilty and not the Germans?
That is what happened.
If we are debating a Black and White Transcript, no wonder we are debating historical events. It’s what the Left does, rewrites history.
US encourages people of Venezuela and Iran to rebel against the government but then the US military doesn’t arrive to help them. Do you suggest US military is guilty?
Freedom is never free.
I missed any concrete deadlines the Soviets promised for their intervention in Warsaw. And by the way the Germans in Warsaw were beaten by the Soviets and not by the uprising.
The Russians were key in the uprising. The success or failure was based upon how quickly the Soviet forces could link up. However the advance was halted by design and allowed the Nazi’s to focus on the uprising.
In other news Georgia lost the August War in 2008 because US failed to intervene on its behalf despite the fact that US forces were present in Georgia. McCain promised president Saakashvili they would intervene.
The Poles were pretty much killed while the Russians did not advance for 3 weeks. No equivalency to us encouraging an uprising in another country.
And the Russians killed 10,000 Polish officers.
20,000.
You could make the case that around 1956, Poland was a bit more independent of the Soviets, but in 1948, the Soviets were firmly in control of Poland. The decision to murder Pilecki came straight from The Kremlin.
That is a narrow view on it. Pilecky was a British agent. Why should anyone allow Britain to exercise influence in Poland? It has betrayed Poland in 1939, it was not in a position and unwilling to seriously help Poland in 1944. And after 1945 Britain was irrelevant in Polish affairs both based on the above facts and according to Yalta agreements. It didn’t contribute in any meaningful way to the liberation of Poland.
And there were plenty of local Communists in Poland who viewed Pilecky as a traitor for the reasons above.
I fully understand why the man is viewed differently now and he deserves recognition but it was a different time.
Do you also think that Milada Horáková was a British spy?
Czech show trials are the whole different matter. She wasn’t involved in any violent conspiracy for sure. Her trial is the very definition of a Stalinist show trial.
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