Various CDC data on Pneumonia and Influenza and COVID-19 deaths from April 16-17, 2020 [charts with improved formatting]

CDC data ^ | April 16, 2020 | daniel1212

[daniel1212]

Pneumonia and Influenza (P&I) Mortality Surveillance

Based on National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) mortality surveillance data available on April 16, 2020, 11.9% of the deaths occurring during the week ending April 11, 2020 (week 15) were due to P&I. This percentage is above the epidemic threshold of 7.0% for week 15.

Pneumonia and Influenza Mortality Surveillance from the National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System

Information for selected week and previous two weeks, national summary, all ages

Week	Number of Influenza Deaths	Number of Pneumonia Deaths	Total Deaths	Percent Complete
Selected Week (week 15)	206	3,081	27,688	58.2%
Week 14	342	6,017	49,292	> 100%
Week 13	355	5,016	52,285	> 100%

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

[Note] Coronavirus disease deaths are identified using the ICD–10 code U07.1. Deaths are coded to U07.1 when coronavirus disease 2019 or COVID-19 are reported as a cause that contributed to death on the death certificate. These can include laboratory confirmed cases, as well as cases without laboratory confirmation. If the certifier suspects COVID-19 or determines it was likely (e.g., the circumstances were compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), they can report COVID-19 as “probable” or “presumed” on the death certificate (5, 6).

Pneumonia deaths are identified using underlying cause-of-death codes from the 10th Revision of ICD (ICD–10): J12–J18, excluding deaths that involve influenza (J09–J11). Influenza deaths are identified from the ICD–10 codes J09–J11, and include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 listed as a contributing cause of death.

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 4/11/2020.*

Data as of April 17, 2020

Week ending date in which the death occurred	COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1)1	Deaths from All Causes	Percent of Expected Deaths2	Pneumonia Deaths (J12.0–J18.9)3	Deaths with Pneumonia and COVID-19 (J12.0–J18.9 and U07.1)3	Influenza Deaths (J09–J11)4	Population5
Total Deaths	13,130	582,565	92	45,019	5,902	5,228	327,167,434

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[daniel1212]

Much to study.

[silverleaf]

Interesting

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[MAGAthon]

just turned on Mark Levin. he has Dr. John Ioannidis from Stanford with him! wonderful.

Dr. Ioannidis said in Italy 99% of Covid deaths involved comorbidities, and there is now debate how many would have died anyway within a few days, etc.

enough of the hysteria.

Dr. Ioannidis said we should re-open soon.

[MAGAthon]

Levin just asked Dr. Ioannidis about death certificates stating covid when it isn’t the known cause.

Dr. Ioannidis is concerned. says it will take time to investigate, but he says deaths are over-stated.

main message to end. re-open the economy.

[entropy12]

I just caught the tail end of first guest on Fox show Life, Liberty & Levin, so did not get his name or profession but what the points he made make sense.

Point #1 : If we keep shutdown going until there are zero more infections, it could be a very long time, and by then the economy will have died for good and we will be dealing with a very long great depression #2.

Point #2 : Since data is clear that majority of people getting infected don’t even show any symptoms (asymptomatic).

And most healthy infected people recover with proper medical treatment. These type of people are mostly in our work force. If they are allowed to go back to work and mix with other people, majority will acquire the infection, but most will be asymptomatic. Those who get sick will get proper treatment and recover. The benefit is they acquire anti-bodies and thus acquire good immunity. We do not yet know how long this immunity will last but we do know that anti-bodies generally make you immune from the same virus for a significant period with all other infectious diseases.

Point #3 : As these asymptomatic workers infect others, the majority of those others will also be asymptomatic and acquire immunity. The sooner all workers acquire anti-bodies, the less covid-19 becomes a problem. Which then follows that after a few months the entire working population has anti-bodies.

Point #4 : That leaves out the most vulnerable such as very old, or with serious existing health issues. So now instead of having to monitor all infected people who test positive, the country has to monitor only those considered most vulnerable, which is a much smaller number and could be manageable, until an effective vaccine comes along.

[brookwood]

Are you saying the lives of those with high blood pressure (annual death rate .49%), diabetes (annual death rate .24%), or asthma (annual death rate 0%) are expendable?
There is no debate about how many of these people would normally have died “in a few days”, the answer is almost none of them would have died in a few days. 125 million people in the US have these “co-morbidities”

Diabetes https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/diabetes.htm
Lung Disease use stats for asthma
Cancer https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/common.html
Immunodeficiency https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4820073/
Heart Disease https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190131084238.htm
Hypertension https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db289.htm
Asthma https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/estimated-prevalence-and-incidence-of-lung-dis-(1)/methodology
Kidney Disease https://www.cdc.gov/kidneydisease/publications-resources/2019-national-facts.html
Liver Disease https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/liver-disease.htm

Pop with disease
Diabetes 34,200,000
Lung Disease use asthma
Cancer 2,800,000
Immunodeficiency 165,000
Heart Disease 121,500,000
Hypertension 95,700,000
Asthma 22,500,000
Kidney Disease 37,000,000
Liver Disease 4,500,000
222,665,000

Annual deaths from disease
Diabetes 83,000
Lung Disease
Cancer 606,000
Immunodeficiency 0
Heart Disease 647,000
Hypertension 472,000
Asthma 338
Kidney Disease 47,000
Liver Disease 82,500

Annual Death Rate
Diabetes 0.24%
Lung Disease see asthma
Cancer 21.64%
Immunodeficiency
Heart Disease 0.53%
Hypertension 0.49%
Asthma 0.00%
Kidney Disease 0.13%
Liver Disease 1.83%

[daniel1212]

While the CDC provides the Number of Pneumonia Deaths, and Deaths with Pneumonia and COVID-19 together, yet I cannot find numbers for Deaths with Pneumonia and Influenza together.

It lists 6,549 Pneumonia Deaths for week 14 (4/4/2020) and 2,620 Deaths with Pneumonia and COVID-19 (including presumed Covid) and 5,457 by 5,457 (including presumed Covid) but the only data I can find for Deaths Due to Pneumonia and Influenza is a page that states "The percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza is 11.9%, above the epidemic threshold of 7.0%". but not any counts, and a graph and data source that also only provide a percent.

Then the CDC reports for week 15 that "Laboratory confirmed flu activity as reported by clinical laboratories is now low" even though hospitalizations remain high..

Why does the CDC provide clear data by Deaths with Pneumonia and COVID-19 but not Deaths by Pneumonia and Influenza?

[brookwood]

BullCrap right from the get-go. This link, with its very elegant color scheme and formatting, says Covid deaths are 13,130. The actual number of US Covid19 deaths is more than 40,000.
I just wonder what the agenda is for someone to spend so much time devising websites and presentations of information which is obviously garbage. Paid by the Chinese Communist Party I suspect.

[daniel1212]

BullCrap right from the get-go. This link, with its very elegant color scheme and formatting, says Covid deaths are 13,130. The actual number of US Covid19 deaths is more than 40,000. I just wonder what the agenda is for someone to spend so much time devising websites and presentations of information which is obviously garbage. Paid by the Chinese Communist Party I suspect.

Rather, that data, but not the color scheme and formatting, is right from the CDC (did you click on the linked Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)?), and it is not my fault what it says. It is the Pneumonia Deaths that are over 40,000, which pneumonia death counts exclude pneumonia deaths involving influenza.

You are apparently comparing the CDC data with the likes of worldometers, which states (but few know), "Because national aggregates often lag behind the regional and local health departments' data, part of our work consists in monitoring thousands of daily reports released by local authorities." "Total Cases = reported total cumulative count of detected and laboratory (and sometimes, depending on the country reporting them and the criteria adopted at the time, also clinically) confirmed positive and sometimes - depending on the country reporting standards - also presumptive, suspect, or probable cases of detected infection. Because it represents a cumulative count (rather than a snapshot of the number of current cases at any given time), this number can't decrease. The size of the gap between detected (whether confirmed, suspect or probable) and reported cases versus actual cases will depend on the number of tests performed and on the country's transparency in reporting."

As for the CDC, the source page I linked to states,

Note: Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of April 17, 2020. Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available.