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CoVid-19: Why Some People Get Sicker Than Others: COVID-19 is proving to be a disease of the immune system. This could, in theory, be controlled.
The Atlantic ^ | 04/23/2020 | James Hamblin

Posted on 04/23/2020 12:35:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 04/23/2020 7:02:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Candor7
dennisprager.com/video/dr-zelenko-this-is-a-game-changer-potentially/

and

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qaSHM1TK5tM

My understanding is that zinc is what kills the virus, after the hydroxychloroquine opens a path in the virus for the zinc to enter.

21 posted on 04/23/2020 1:24:34 PM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good information. Thanks.


22 posted on 04/23/2020 1:33:18 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Fauci wants you to believe that you get covid-19 and you die. It's fear mongering at its worst.)
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To: montag813

If I take more than 1000 IU of D3 I get jittery. I have no idea why.


23 posted on 04/23/2020 1:34:37 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: AJFavish

Yes. That’s the way Dr. Zelenko of New York explained it in his many interviews.

Also the drugs need to be administered as early as possible in the disease.

Thise who are not diagnosed by virtue of a physical exam and then treated with the HCQ and Zinc , as well as an anti-biotic such as Azithromycin or Doxycycline, wait for the test results for 5 to 6 days end up being so seriously ill that they may not recover.

Early is the name of the game with HCQ.

All of the so called testing of HCQ have waited for 5 to 10 days for test results, and by them many of the test subjects have their lungs full of mucus so that the HCQ
therapy is made unecessarily difficult.

Most of the so called tests are therefore defective in the way they are administered.

Dr. Zelenko did not wait for test results. He put his patients right on the HCQ therapy based on a physical diagnosis. The old fashioned way. As a result Zelenko saved over 1000 lives.


24 posted on 04/23/2020 1:40:33 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama Fascism:https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: I know a lot of people don’t like your article posts,

Well, I like your posts. Thanks very much for all your effort.

25 posted on 04/23/2020 1:55:36 PM PDT by TChad (The MSM, having nuked its own credibility, is now bombing the rubble.)
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To: mdmathis6
The body will take what it needs and pee the rest out....

Be careful with the broad brush statement about vitamins...water soluble vitamins are excreted through the kidneys. However, fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, K and B12 are stored in the liver. Too much of fat soluble vitamins may cause toxicity.

26 posted on 04/23/2020 2:32:03 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Maintain distance of two Altuves. Clean your paws frequently. Don't be a pinhead.)
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To: kiryandil

Any literature on that dose?

Largest dose study was 150,000 units daily for over a year with no side effects on seven patients.

I take 10k to 20k daily for a few weeks then a month or so off. I cannot remember my last Flu, over 20 years ago.

Though I felt off for a few hours a month ago. So not sure if I had a flu or not.


27 posted on 04/23/2020 3:01:27 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: kiryandil
I'm only on 3,000 to 4,000 IU of vit D, because I've read that you can get TOO much of it. Any literature on that heavy a dose?

TYPO! I meant 1,000, not 10,000, which is needed only for emergency protection (you feel something in your throat or sinuses, etc)

28 posted on 04/23/2020 3:13:54 PM PDT by montag813
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To: NautiNurse

Yup...what I just said...some vitamins when taken too much cause toxicity...I just didn’t break it down into fat or water soluble.


29 posted on 04/23/2020 3:16:57 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: SeekAndFind

With this article in mind; one wonders if that’s why the 3 drug cocktail works well if taken at the first onset of feeling ill from this virus.

Does the cocktail boost the immune system as well as attack and neutralize the cells infected?


30 posted on 04/23/2020 3:33:54 PM PDT by Boomer ('Democrat' is now synonymous with 'corrupt')
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To: montag813

Be careful with the EGCG. I think too much of that can cause liver damage.


31 posted on 04/23/2020 5:09:55 PM PDT by FreedomForce
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To: Boomer
RE:one wonders if that’s why the 3 drug cocktail works well if taken at the first onset of feeling ill from this virus.

That's EXACTLY what Dr. Zelenko tells people --- use it EARLY. Here is are the kinds of patients he says will have the best chance of recovery:


32 posted on 04/23/2020 5:14:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: Boomer

RE: Does the cocktail boost the immune system as well as attack and neutralize the cells infected?

Again, all studies show that:

1. It has to be applied as soon as: a) The patient is CoVid-19 positive; and b) shows fever, coughing and/or breathing problems.

2. Do not wait till the lungs are so compromised and damaged by pneumonia and the patient needs a respirator.

If you do the above, all experience shows that the patient gets better within 5 to 6 days.

This significantly eases the burden of hospitals and healthcare workers and also reduces the death rate.

Also, Zinc is a major component of the treatment.

What many doctors observe is that the virus uses the cell as a platform to replicate. Because this invader is new, the immune system overreacts (especially true for mature individuals like the elderly) and creates what is known as a Cytokine storm, sort of like a soldier shooting at everything in sight, not differentiating between the good and bad guys, thus, killing the good as well. This causes ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome), where fluid collects in the lungs and air sacs depriving oxygen.

Hydroxychloroquine works in two ways:

1. Hydroxychloroquine acts as an ionophore where Zinc can work to prevent the virus from replicating.

2. Hydroxychloroquine also acts to modulate autoimmune response ( much like it does lupus ), so that the immune system’s cytokine storm calms down giving the body the chance to fight off the invader without killing its own healthy lung cells.

Azithromycin is used to fight possible bacterial infection.

These 3: HCQ+AZITHROMYCIN+ZINC, given at the right doses EARLY before the disease has the chance to progress to a more severe state is what accounts for most of the success.

ANY STUDIES THAT DO NOT TRY TO REPLICATE THE PROTOCOL AND PATIENT CRITERIA OF DR. ZELENKO will have mixed results.

Hence, this NIH sponsored study was set up to fail wheter they realize it or not. All the patients they chose to administer HCQ to were in the late stage of the disease.

It would be like administering a cancer drug when the patient is already in stage 4. There is NO GUARANTEE of a recovery at this stage.


33 posted on 04/23/2020 5:23:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks, while I know most of that, it’s good to get it in one complete explanation. I hope you don’t mind that I saved it to share with others if need be to explain it to them.


34 posted on 04/23/2020 6:26:42 PM PDT by Boomer ('Democrat' is now synonymous with 'corrupt')
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To: Boomer

Sure, go ahead!


35 posted on 04/23/2020 6:35:24 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: volunbeer
Obesity and diabetes are a big problem in the African-American community.

And being heavy did not help her, if she is 2nd on left in this pic: https://africainwords.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/caine-prize-authors.jpg

36 posted on 04/23/2020 6:51:04 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: FreedomForce

That is from “green tea extract” — typically dubious weight loss supplements that concentrate the EGCG into dangerous amounts, typically using lead-tainted Chinese green tea. I would only recommend drinking Japanese organic Matcha tea regularly, which also provides a side benefit of reducing tooth decay. I make my own capsules and have used them for years. I lost 65 lbs with them, and lowered my resting heart rate from 78 to 55 bpm.


37 posted on 04/23/2020 7:04:38 PM PDT by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/23/upshot/five-ways-to-monitor-coronavirus-outbreak-us.html Below, the metro areas that have had the highest cumulative case and death rates since the start of the outbreak:

Cumulative confirmed cases

Metro or micro area Population cases Per 1,000
1 Marion, Ohio 65,256 2,137 32.75
2 New York City area 20.0 mil. 330,117 16.52
3 Albany, Ga. 153,009 2,092 13.67
4 New Orleans 1.3 mil. 15,199 11.96
5 Fairfield County, Conn. 943,823 9,883 10.47
6 Edwards, Colo. 54,993 488 8.87
7 Trenton-Princeton, N.J. 369,811 2,753 7.44
8 Grand Island, Neb. 85,088 629 7.39
9 Pine Bluff, Ark. 89,515 656 7.33
10 Gallup, N.M. 72,290 519 7.18
11 Boston 4.9 mil. 33,039 6.78
12 New Haven, Conn. 857,620 5,811 6.78
13 Sioux Falls, S.D. 265,653 1,671 6.29
14 Detroit 4.3 mil. 26,385 6.10
15 East Stroudsburg, Pa. 169,507 1,015 5.99

Cumulative confirmed deaths

Metro or micro area Population deaths Per 1,000
1 Albany, Ga. 153,009 152 0.99
2 New York City area 20.0 mil. 19,211 0.96
3 New Orleans 1.3 mil. 880 0.69
4 Fairfield County, Conn. 943,823 584 0.62
5 Detroit 4.3 mil. 2,371 0.55
6 Springfield, Mass. 631,761 285 0.45
7 Hartford, Conn. 1.2 mil. 527 0.44
8 Greenfield Town, Mass. 70,963 30 0.42
9 New Haven, Conn. 857,620 345 0.40
10 Trenton-Princeton, N.J. 369,811 133 0.36
11 Opelousas, La. 82,764 29 0.35
12 Torrington, Conn. 181,111 63 0.35
13 Flint, Mich. 406,892 138 0.34
14 Boston 4.9 mil. 1,566 0.32
15 East Stroudsburg, Pa. 169,507 48 0.28

38 posted on 04/24/2020 4:47:23 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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