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Posted on 05/28/2020 6:06:35 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

about the History Channel's three part series "GRANT"?


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 50billeightzeros; docuseries; grant; thebutcher; tvprogram
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1 posted on 05/28/2020 6:06:35 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

I am about half way through it and think it is very well done.


2 posted on 05/28/2020 6:08:18 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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To: Bull Snipe

Seems good historical biography - haven’t seen it all just segments while I’m trying to sleep in a recliner after shoulder surgery. Most of what I learned about Grant was during a 2-semester Civil War class back in HS - 60 years ago, so a little hazy on details.

I do remember all the trouble AL had with McClellan and his constant dithering and retreating.


3 posted on 05/28/2020 6:12:50 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Bull Snipe

I’ve recommended it based on reviews but haven’t yet seen it myself.
If you’re in the Starkville MS area - drop in on the Grant Library.
http://www.usgrantlibrary.org
Hail State!


4 posted on 05/28/2020 6:13:23 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Bull Snipe

My biggest question is, why wasn’t Ta-Nehisi Coates more negative on Grant? I think the narrative of the producers is that he’s a good role model for how doggedly to go after “intolerance” (i.e. anyone opposed to socialism)


5 posted on 05/28/2020 6:18:48 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: Bull Snipe

I wouldn’t watch it if you gave me $50


6 posted on 05/28/2020 6:20:13 AM PDT by Phil DiBasquette
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To: Bull Snipe

If you take out all of the advertisements the three part series distills down to a good hour history.


7 posted on 05/28/2020 6:25:48 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Phil DiBasquette
I wouldn’t watch it if you gave me $50

Since we've already established that you can be bought, how about $60?

8 posted on 05/28/2020 6:26:44 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe

I’d like to read the Ron Chernow biography of him...came out about 2 years ago or so. I thought the depiction of him in the later seasons of Hell on Wheels was good.


9 posted on 05/28/2020 6:28:47 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Bull Snipe

Grant demonstrated a fundamental fact of war and militarism. War is said to be diplomacy by force and coercion. If you are engaged in such an endeavor and do not fight tenaciously and viciously, many of your own men will be killed and resources will be squandered needlessly. A successful general is audacious, engages the enemy and is willing to accept losses to achieve goals. Of course Grant had huge resources, could afford strategic mistakes, incur huge losses have a few drinks, then get up and fight again. Eventually and inevitably he won. Whether you are Finland or the Confederacy, overwhelming numbers and determination almost always wins.


10 posted on 05/28/2020 6:32:37 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: Bull Snipe

Does this have anything to do with Ulysses Simpson Grant, also known to some as Unconditional Surrender Grant, the 18th president of the United States?


11 posted on 05/28/2020 6:33:46 AM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (Keep looking up.)
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To: ConservativeDude
I’d like to read the Ron Chernow biography of him...came out about 2 years ago or so.

I thought the biography was very good but also think Chernow dwelt too much on his drinking.

12 posted on 05/28/2020 6:37:06 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

possibly


13 posted on 05/28/2020 6:37:08 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: ConservativeDude

I read the book and this follows it pretty well. I enjoyed it.


14 posted on 05/28/2020 6:41:56 AM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Hiram US Grant.


15 posted on 05/28/2020 6:43:05 AM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: Bull Snipe

On my mom’s side of the family, on her mom’s side, the ancestors in southern Illinois were greatly affected by Grant.

He was pulled back into military service by Lincoln, and initially Lincoln tasked him with forming up a regiment in Illinois.

Grant initiated that with speeches promoting the effort. Relatives in southern Illinois went to Springfield to hear Grant speak. Back home they discussed Grant’s appeal. Overhearing his father and uncles discussing Grant’s appeal one night, one sixteen year old and a cousin of the same age stole away from home in the middle of the night and made their way to Springfield; lying about their ages and joining up in Grant’s regiment. That relative died in the infamous Confederate prison camp at Andersonville.


16 posted on 05/28/2020 6:45:01 AM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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To: DoodleDawg

“Since we’ve already established that you can be bought, how about $60?”

When was it established? You have garbled the historical reference. It doesn’t work in this case.


17 posted on 05/28/2020 6:48:35 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: MustKnowHistory

I agree it is well done.


18 posted on 05/28/2020 6:57:18 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: Bull Snipe

We watched all three episodes and I was especially impressed about how “level” the presentation was. Particularly since there were a couple left-leaning folks as narrators. Particularly surprising as Leonardo DiCaprio was the Producer.

I was largely unaware that U.S. Grant was in effect the leading General of Generals near the end of the war. Was aware of his closeness to Lincoln and of Lincoln’s “I cannot spare this man” statement, but Grant’s overall importance in the conduct of the war was surprising to me. At the end of the last episode they narrator(s) explained the reason that Grant contribution has been more or less forgotten in the 20th Century thru today because of the Southern recasting of the war as being a matter states rights, rather than slavery. The movement was called “The Lost Cause”. I for one was totally unaware of this.

I plan to buy Chernow’s biography and to try to find a copy of Grant’s autobiography if it is still available. Wouldn’t mind having the series on DVD/blueray if the History channel makes it available.

Highly recommend watching the series when/if it it is rebroadcast.


19 posted on 05/28/2020 6:58:14 AM PDT by Afterguard (Deplorable me!)
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Thanks FRiend!
I’m going to watch it based on your recommendation & review.

Appreciate that very even overview that you posted also!


20 posted on 05/28/2020 7:06:09 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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