Former Walters director Gary Vikan chronicles ‘the greatest deception in the history of Christianity’ (the Shroud of Turin) [Commentary]

Baltimore Sun ^ | Aug 20, 2020 | Dan Rodricks

[Hootowl]

The author of this book has not kept up with the research.

[central_va]

The image is photographic in nature. If you were to roll the body in a process to capture an image then the image would be distorted and much wider. Like a distorted world map.

To make an image the shroud would have to be suspended above the statue or corpse ( or Jesus if it is real ). The cloth needs to be photo sensitive. I just don't see how it was done.

[Phillyred]

correct. The shroud has supernatutal properties.

[Dogbert41]

Amen!!!

[SteveH]

there is a tv documentary which purports to show that leonardo da vinci could have created the shroud...

[Bommer]

Particle physicist Isabel Piczek suggests that the resurrection may have been caused by an event horizon, accompanied by forces above and below the body causing the shroud to become taut, where quantum time collapses to absolute zero, with the body hovering parallel to both with gravity suspended - explaining why the cloth's image is a negative film of a dead man on the front and back sides of the cloth (2009. Missler). This had to be a mild or very weak event horizon unlike the force of an event horizon from a black hole or the Big Bang.

Now all these idiots have to do is create it......still waiting.

[SaxxonWoods]

“The shroud is [impressed] with the image of the body of a gaunt, bearded man with long hair.”

I knew it was over right there since if the writer can’t get that part right, there’s not much hope for him anyway.

The Shroud is not “impressed”, nor has it been “wrapped” around a model. The method described as a way to fake the Shroud won’t work because the Shroud has nothing soaked into the fabric.

The image sits only on the surface of the fabric, set there by a very short burst of extremely bright light.

I’ve often wondered if comparisons have been run between the Shroud image and the image on Juan Diego’s cloak left by Our Lady of Guadalupe.

[texas booster]

Certainly the use of icons is not a thing in Western churches. We have been taught that it is faith that saves our souls. I think that we have adopted the Jewish prohibition against idols - at least in church.

But I can't image why this cloth would have been saved through the centuries if people didn't see it as something special.

And I certainly can't understand how it could have been created, except supernaturally.

And I only know of one crucified man that I consider supernatural.

[central_va]

Take a small statue, dip it in paint then try to make a photo graphic 2-d image of it. Go ahead, try. If you roll the statue or just simply let the cloth lay on the wet statue you get a distorted image. A wide body image.

[The Great RJ]

If the shroud is a Medieval hoax how was it done? Lots of theories but none have reproduced the same results. The main question is why would a medieval forger have bothered with such an elaborate method, defying even 21st century analysis, when the crudest forged holy relics were readily accepted in those times.

[SaxxonWoods]

Think of the outlines of humans left on walls in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

[SaxxonWoods]

Except in this case the light came from the body and set the image on the surface of the cloth.

[TexasGator]

“There’s lots more including the fact that the dating source was taken from a repair made in the 14th. century and not the actual Shroud itself.”

Documentation states samples were taken from repair-free areas.

[Dogbert41]

A few years ago I watched a bunch of videos on Youtube that were very interesting about the people that did the big study which occurred very shortly after I got saved.

I was always open minded about it’s authenticity, but after watching those videos, I became as convinced as the surviving scientists that the Shroud was authentic. Like another wrote up there, “no proof that it’s Jesus”, but it’s a first century cloth that cannot be duplicated.

I took a bunch of HD copies of the man’s face and body on the cloth and it moves me spiritually as it depicts the serious suffering He went through for us all.

[central_va]

Whether real or fake I think the shroud could be divinely inspired. Nobody is ever going to recreate another one.

[SkyDancer]

The latest was from a repair. There are too many other things about it that shows it’s not a fake.

[GLDNGUN]

He makes the Shroud sound like an easy forgery, so it should be quite easy for him to replicate it since he knows exactly what the materials and techniques used were.

I'll wait.

[Swordmaker]

Kind of strange Shroud of Turin ping to an article comparing Gary Vikan’s book concluding the Shroud of Turin is a 14th Century hoax to the Russia, Russia, Russia — Trump Collusion hoax of the past four or so years. I know, long stretch, but there it is. Vikan’s theory that the Shroud is a Medieval transfer print Hoax doesn’t hold water because there is no such remnant of any transfer media on the Shroud down to the electronmicrspectroscopic level, a test which could tell the composition and manufacturer of the vinyl baggies the samples had been transported in from the traces of vinyl left on the on sample. If there were any pigment or staining media, even a remainder of such a media, on the Shroud, it would have been detected and revealed by this test. No tannic acid, no iron oxide, no staining or pigment media of any kind. There simply is none. Zip, nada, nothing. Vikan has no evidence to support his Shroud of Turin hoax conclusion... about as much as the Democrats had to accuse the President of colluding with the Russians in the 2016 Presidential Election. — Shroud of Turin PING!

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[Swordmaker]

Wasn’t there human hemoglobin found in the Shroud? And various pollens from first-century Judea? And what about the photographic-negative quality of the image, not to mention the anatomical accuracy of the nail holes through the wrists, vs. the palms?

Yes to Human hemoglobin and pollens from the Jerusalem area, not to mention anatomical accuracy of the nails through the wrists/palms. However it is not a a photographic 3D image. It’s a 3D terrain map which is not photographic, having nothing to do with photography, but rather to do with the an analog inverse representation of the distance of the body to the skin represented by the darkness of the image which dissipates at about 10cm from the cloth visually, and at about 20cm even under computer enhancement. This computer enhancement allows us to know that the Man on the Shroud was circumcised (per Barry Schwortz, principal Light Photographer STURP).

[texas booster]

Thank you Swordmaker.

For those that make it this far, I posted this not to promote a nutcase theory about the Shroud of Turin, but to show this nutcase and his TDS in full view.

These people really do exist, and get paid to publish this drivel.

Both the commentator and Vikan, IMO, are in rebellion against the Creator of the universe.

And exhibit classic TDS.