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More Vaccines, More Covid: Why are Case Rates Exploding in Areas with High Levels of Vaccination? What is the Best Hypothesis That Explains This Observation?
Becker News ^ | 09/19/2021 | Kyle Becker

Posted on 09/19/2021 8:41:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

As the Covid pandemic continues to defy predictions about when it will finally be ‘over,’ there is a curious phenomenon taking place across the United States and around the globe: Covid-19 case rates increasing alongside vaccination rates.

The textbook examples of this disturbing trend are the nations of Israel, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Israel is now experiencing its fourth wave, which is being accompanied by another round of ‘booster shots.’ Israel has 61.5% of all adults “fully vaccinated” (although the use of ‘booster shots’ throws the term into question.)

The United Kingdom is experiencing another wave despite 66.5% being “fully vaccinated.”

The United States is seeing a wave that is now even larger than the first big wave in terms of cases. The U.S. has a 55% ‘fully vaccinated’ rate, which encompasses all adults, but skews older.

U.S. states vary greatly in terms of vaccination rates. Two prime examples of high case rate and high vaccination rate states are California and Washington. California has strict Covid rules, such as mask mandates and even mandatory vaccination in L.A. County.

Despite vaccination rates of 68% in the 12 and up demographic and 80% in the critical 65 and up demographic, California has experienced yet another wave in August. This has been accompanied by an increasing reported death rate.

Washington state is similar in that it has 73% ‘fully vaccinated’ in the 12 and up demographic, as well 89% in the 65 and up. Like California, these rates will be much higher within weeks. And like California, it is reporting soaring case and mortality rates.

In the midst of these remarkable trends is a brewing controversy: How much immunity is enough? As a baseline, there are two forms of immunity: Vaccinated and natural immunity. It was recently reported that the CDC estimated that 83% of the U.S. population had some form of Covid immunity, based on antibodies detected in blood samples. The CDC study showed that the estimation of those who had contracted Covid and recovered without knowing they had the illness was 120 million people – far higher than then 42 million currently being reported. That was in May. Once one factors in the ongoing Delta wave, that number could be upwards of 150 million people.

Amid this massive spread of natural immunity and vaccinated immunity, the goalposts on what constitutes “herd immunity” has shifted dramatically. “Since the start of the pandemic, the figure that many epidemiologists have offered has been 60 to 70 percent,” the NY Times originally reported in December. “That range is still cited by the World Health Organization and is often repeated during discussions of the future course of the disease.”

“In the pandemic’s early days, Dr. Fauci tended to cite the same 60 to 70 percent estimate that most experts did,” the Times went on. “About a month ago, he began saying ’70, 75 percent’ in television interviews. And last week, in an interview with CNBC News, he said ’75, 80, 85 percent’ and ’75 to 80-plus percent’.”

It is important to note that Dr. Fauci is acting as if natural immunity doesn’t even exist, when we know from the CDC’s studies that it could be as high as 40% in the United States. Regardless, the NIAID Director wants a vaccination target above 80 percent, while knowing that 98% of Covid deaths are among those age 40 and above. What is going on here?

One blogger, under the pseudonym el gato malo, has shown the spotlight on one possible explanation, while admitting that the author suspects “a fair few folks are not going to like hearing it.” In the interest of readability, I will select relevant passages and capitalize them appropriately (the author has chosen a peculiar style than shuns capitalization). The following is a “hypothesis” that represents what the author argues is the “best fit” of the current data in a number of cases under observation.

The current surge in Covid deaths is caused by the vaccinated.

The Covid vaccines are extremely leaky and may well accelerate contracting and carrying Covid.

They allow for very high viral loads to go unnoticed and generate a new and severe asymptomatic spread vector to where none existed before.

The high viral loads lead to greater contagion. they may lead to greater severity (but this data is iffy and contested).

Vaccine campaigns cause superspread events because vaccination leads to a 2 week window of 40-100% more covid risk that then gets counted as “unvaccinated” because the definitions are bad.

This combination makes those vaccinated with one dose or more into superspread bombs.

One might recall the case of the Texas Democrats or the Barack Obama’s birthday party at Martha’s Vineyard, where ‘fully vaccinated’ people gathered and nonetheless spurred ostensible ‘superspreader events.’ In August, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky changed her story and admitted that the vaccinated can indeed spread the Delta variant.

El gato malo presents evidence about why this explanation appears to fit the data in areas where there are case rates exploding despite presumably high levels of vaccinated and natural immunity.

You get a surge of spread… and then you get the later breakthrough cases (because the vaccines do not stop infection and just mitigate severity).

These BT [breakthrough] cases have massively high VL [viral loads] in often asymptomatic superspreaders that pass on high loading doses to the unvaccinated and greatly worsen the overall pandemic.

This further inflates apparent VE [vaccine efficacy] by subjecting the unvaccinated to a more profligate and severe disease vector than they would have been had no vaccination campaign ever been undertaken.

It moves the whole system to a a different valence.

Perversely, if the vaccinated comprise a spread vector that accelerates deaths in the unvaccinated, that would make it look like vaccines work.

Ouch. (Told you you weren’t going to like it).

The researcher then adds the appropriate disclaimer to the argument.

I want to stress, this is a hypothesis and a work in progress. It’s just the best fit to the facts I can find right now and I REALLY hope it’s wrong because if it’s right, this vaccination campaign is probably the worst health blunder in human history and the epidemiology and politics of that will get stunningly, surreally bad.

But if this hypothesis proves out, then calling this an ‘epidemic of the unvaccinated’ is 180 degrees wrong.

Indeed, it would be generous to call it “the worst health blunder in human history.” It would give rise to a diabolical scenario where two opposing camps – the vaccinated and the unvaccinated – would be clashing incessantly over who is killing whom.

The only plausible solution: More vaccines, forever.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: breakthrough; breakthroughcovid; chemtrails; covid; covidvaccines; deltavariant; featurenotfault; infection; mareks; vaccination
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1 posted on 09/19/2021 8:41:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Simple...

The vaxxed are Super Spreaders. New series coming...

"The Walking Vaxxed"

Only with a direct shot thru their viral-loaded noses can you kill the Walking Vaxxed!


2 posted on 09/19/2021 8:44:22 PM PDT by moovova (Joe Biden...Making the Taliban great again!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The best hypothesis is that the vaxes & boosters cause the variants.


3 posted on 09/19/2021 8:46:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: moovova

Because it’s a binary biological warfare weapon, Covid19-mNRA for the purging of a majority of the world’s population.


4 posted on 09/19/2021 8:46:21 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: SeekAndFind

I”m going to go with Door Number 3 Bob,

The vaccine ain’t working.

In fact, it is weak and leaky and allows rapid mutations of the virus.

Let’s try Ivermectin for $500!


5 posted on 09/19/2021 8:47:11 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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To: moovova

I’ve been thinking of Zombies all weekend.

Now up to 43% of the world’s population.


6 posted on 09/19/2021 8:49:32 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Winner!!


7 posted on 09/19/2021 8:52:39 PM PDT by laplata
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To: All

1) The virus is called “unstable”. Stable vs unstable refers to the accuracy of replication. An unstable virus will replicate imprecisely. There will be changes. The changes that infect best are the changes that propagate.

2) Get rid of the thinking that “it will burn itself out” and “viruses mutate to a less harmful form”. That is all behavior of natural viruses. This one is artificial. Not natural. The Chinese created it and they didn’t create it to become gentle.

3) It’s essentially impossible to try to compare one country to another and vax rates or no vax rates. Countries have different weather. Countries have different demographics. And countries are using different vax designs.

4) Wondering about when it will be “over” is a formula for outrage and disappointment. No law of the universe says it ever will be.


8 posted on 09/19/2021 8:53:09 PM PDT by Owen
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To: SeekAndFind

The “vaccines” are making people more vulnerable to the virus.


9 posted on 09/19/2021 8:55:10 PM PDT by rllngrk33 (It seems the soap box and ballot box have failed, it might be time for the bullet box.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmm, science already proved what is termed here as “ plausible’ in the case of vaccinating chickens against a mild Mareks disease…with an imperfecf leaky vaccine…that turned the vaxxed chickens into superspreaders of a highly lethal mutated variant that killed every unvaccinated chicken. They knew about this…and ignored the risk of doing this to humans with mass injections of a rushed not fully tested pseudo-vaccine in the midst of a pandemic of a 99.5% survivable infection,
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous


10 posted on 09/19/2021 8:55:48 PM PDT by silverleaf (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: SeekAndFind

The “vaccines” are making people more vulnerable to the virus.


11 posted on 09/19/2021 8:57:06 PM PDT by rllngrk33 (It seems the soap box and ballot box have failed, it might be time for the bullet box.)
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To: Owen

Good post-—very good points you make.

I’m wondering what this flu season is going to look like with so many vaccinated. From what I understand, the vaccinations compromise the immune system.

I wouldn’t trust the current flu shots, either.


12 posted on 09/19/2021 8:59:16 PM PDT by laplata
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To: rllngrk33

My son’s girlfriend is sick right now, they are treating her as if she has covid but not telling her she has covid and she’s tested negative three times.

She was double vaxxed in March.

Weird thing - she got a call from the CDC a few days before she got sick asking her how she was doing with the shot. 6 months after? I thought that was odd.


13 posted on 09/19/2021 9:00:27 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: rllngrk33

The “vaccines” are making people more vulnerable to the virus.

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Within the last two months, 24 medical staff at our small hospital who were fully vaccinated have come down with COVID.

I’m acquainted with one of the nurses and she told us most of them are mad ass hell.


14 posted on 09/19/2021 9:03:35 PM PDT by laplata
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To: LilFarmer

Yes, that call is very odd.


15 posted on 09/19/2021 9:04:58 PM PDT by laplata
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To: SeekAndFind

They’re not vaccines.


16 posted on 09/19/2021 9:07:57 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true. I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: laplata

I wonder if any other folks have gotten a call like that?

My son is convinced that whatever she has, she is having a hard time fighting it off because if the shot. She’s 23.


17 posted on 09/19/2021 9:10:06 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: SeekAndFind

Natural immunity is better than a temporary boost from an mRNA injection.
True herd immunity will be reached with a combination of effective prophylaxis (Zinc D3 and ivermectin)and aggressive treatment (Ivermectin steroid nebulizers with monoclonal Antibody)
Look at Sweden v Israel.
I think Fauci the funder of gain of function knew this all along and the monster Bill Gates knew and planned this all along.


18 posted on 09/19/2021 9:15:02 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification. )
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To: Owen
The Chinese created it and they didn’t create it to become gentle.

The Chinese may have "created" it but SARS-COV-2 was designed in the U.S. The "CCP virus"? Try the "UNC virus." That's much closer to the truth.

19 posted on 09/19/2021 9:15:22 PM PDT by DSH
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To: rllngrk33

ADE. A lot like getting the virus causing Dengue fever a second time.


20 posted on 09/19/2021 9:16:38 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification. )
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