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PICTURED: Movie armorer and assistant director who handed Alec Baldwin deadly Colt pistol unaware it was loaded with live rounds and told him it was safe to use: Cinematographer was killed after crew members walked off set over safety concerns
Daily Mail ^ | 10/22/2021 | Jennifer Smith

Posted on 10/22/2021 8:45:09 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: CodeToad

o.O


161 posted on 10/23/2021 9:44:54 AM PDT by Salamander ("Salamander has barbaric tendencies" /Gundog)
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To: Betty Jane

I remember reading an article in the Legion magazine where someone had loaded blanks used for M-1 rifle grenades into their Color Guard M-1’s and put a couple of Legionaires in the hospital.


162 posted on 10/23/2021 10:06:35 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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To: Fido969
“Actually a gun with a bad sear can go off “by itself” if cocked. I had an old Stevens rifle that would do that.“

Fair enough, but I’d like to think that guns being provided for movie productions are in proper working condition, and checked to make sure they can’t just “go off”.

163 posted on 10/23/2021 11:04:26 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Sicon

I had a gun that did that to me. Once.

If a gun has a bad sear, you take it apart. It is a dangerous thing to have around.


164 posted on 10/23/2021 11:44:38 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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To: marcusmaximus

“.....A search warrant released Friday said that armorer Hannah Gutierrez laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the filming location, and first assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds.

‘Cold gun!’ shouted Halls before handing the gun to Baldwin, using the phrase to signal to cast and crew that the gun was safe to fire for the scene, the warrant said.....”

Halls should have checked before he said that and handed the gun to Baldwin. There is no excuse for not doing so and Baldwin should have checked himself. If they are not capable is discerning the weapon was loaded or not they should not touch firearms.


165 posted on 10/23/2021 12:20:11 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: marcusmaximus
Armorer Hanna Gutierrez, 24

You had one job!

166 posted on 10/23/2021 12:48:45 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: marcusmaximus

Sorry but who aimed it a a person and who pulled the trigger? Basic gun saftey 101 is you never point a gun unless you are intending to shoot that person. He was playing to a camera. There was no need to target anyone. Thats why the cinamtographer is there, to set up the shot, not get shot.


167 posted on 10/23/2021 1:00:14 PM PDT by The MAGA-Deplorian ( Democrats are lawless because Republicans are ball-less! )
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To: wardaddy

Yes, those are some very rare exceptions. A lot of times, those effects are also done with hidden squibs.

By all accounts, this was not one of those scenes that was a rare exceptions. So far, it sounds like sounds like there were several people who screwed-up.


168 posted on 10/23/2021 1:39:21 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: wardaddy; eyedigress

That’s how it looks to me.

Since Baldwin’s main interest in guns outside of movies seems to be banning them it’s unlikely that he shoots as a hobby or owns any. Had Baldwin checked the gun there’s no guarantee that he would know that it had a live round rather than a blank.

On movie sets its the armorer’s job to get guns ready for the actors. The armorer knows weapons, actors know squat.


169 posted on 10/23/2021 2:14:42 PM PDT by Pelham (The Catlady School of Medicine. Pretense is prerequisite.)
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To: Pelham

Also the armorer should be the only one handling the guns. Not some director.


170 posted on 10/23/2021 2:40:30 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I will be gone soon to go fight in the Kumite for honor. I may not return.)
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To: marcusmaximus

In all the photos of her, she has her finger carefully off the trigger. She was not the one who handed the weapons to the actor, or anyone else. The chain of custody between armoured and actor was broken by the asst director Mr. Hall, and the wording implies he removed the weapon from the cart and went out of sight with it into another area where he handed it off to the actor. Aside from the obvious question of why live rounds would be anywhere near a set if prop guns, and why, if there was a legit reason, did the armoured allow the director to make off with one... All of this begs the question: does Mr. Hall have anything against Baldwin or others on the set? Was he in possession of the gun long enough to load live rounds into it?


171 posted on 10/23/2021 2:56:38 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments _here free of charge)
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To: Betty Jane
"Woman and Hispanic. Yep, she was qualified for the job"

Another "Wise Latina".

172 posted on 10/23/2021 3:36:37 PM PDT by Lockbar (Vlad the Impailer had all the answers.)
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To: null and void

I have read a lot of Asimov’s books, many I reread. The blending of the Robots with the Foundation was interesting. (Just establishing my
Street Cred here.)

Asimov spoke at Suffolk University in Boston one day. I know because I was there, actually rather close to the podium.

I was probably 19 then, but maybe older. Anyhow, I read a lot of his work. I cannot recall this ‘Nightfall’ stuff though. I shall look into it.


173 posted on 10/23/2021 4:20:47 PM PDT by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents.)
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To: Col Frank Slade
’They won't be able to keep the lid on this much longer.’

I think that you are right. They have the week end to put their Shiete together, but it is not enough.

Arec Bardwin is in for a reckoning.

174 posted on 10/23/2021 4:27:00 PM PDT by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents.)
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To: metmom
It’s the job of ANYONE who takes a gun to hand to know exactly the condition of it and what it can do and how to safely handle it.

NOBODY should be picking up a gun who hasn’t been carefully instructed in its safe use.

Well, that's often not how it's done on film sets. Decades ago, I tried my hand at acting.

I once had a gun placed against the back of my head. Prior to that, the director showed me that the gun was empty, and he pulled the trigger a few times while aiming at the floor (we were indoors) to prove that it was empty.

In three films (two of them union productions) I've held guns. I wasn't required to fire, just hold them. Both times I was told the guns were empty. Nobody bothered to prove this to me, it was just what I was told. I knew nothing of guns, and just assumed what I was told was correct.

175 posted on 10/23/2021 4:54:25 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Radix
The 1941 short story is a better start than the expanded Robert Silverberg novel.

Although the novel is also worth a read.

176 posted on 10/23/2021 6:49:13 PM PDT by null and void (LGBTQ = Let's Get Biden To Quit, FORK/N'A = First Uttery Cancel Kamala/Nancy Axed)
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To: marcusmaximus

If that’s an indication of how guns are treated on set, it’s no surprise that this “accident” occurred.


177 posted on 10/23/2021 10:32:24 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: algore

Wow, I know that Clint Howard has had a few lean stretches in his career, but... My God.


178 posted on 10/24/2021 1:21:07 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

It took a while, but here it is : https://californiaglobe.com/articles/senator-dave-cortese-proposes-bill-to-ban-real-guns-live-ammunition-from-movie-sets/


179 posted on 10/25/2021 1:38:56 PM PDT by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: wardaddy

I would have taught Alex how to suck start a 35 Whelen ......... twice. Hope yer Well WD ...... Stay Safe !!


180 posted on 10/25/2021 11:59:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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