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Toyota Made Its Key Fob Remote Start Into a Subscription Service [Updated] (next up: turn off your car if your social media has 'misinformation'?)
The Drive ^ | DECEMBER 9, 2021 | ROB STUMPF

Posted on 01/17/2022 8:07:13 AM PST by DoodleBob

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To: dhs12345

On my 2012 Tacoma you can start it remotely. It is a great feature in the winter if you are parked out side during a snowstorm.
However, if you unlock the door you have to put the key in the ignition prior to touching anything else or it shuts itself off.

This was the first vehicle I have ever had with this option.
Just like the rear view camera, I would never buy another vehicle without it.


21 posted on 01/17/2022 8:36:21 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: ryderann

I think I remember reading your comment in agreement, but can’t recall if I commented.

Prescient.


22 posted on 01/17/2022 8:38:56 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: DoodleBob

“How about the subscription required for the Mercedes EQS’s rear-wheel steering functionality in Europe? “

DETAILS:

4.5 degree steering standard.

10 degree option $1733 OR $576 per year

10 degree standard on US models


23 posted on 01/17/2022 8:39:59 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Soon, a car will be a “service” you subscribe to (you will be nickled and dimed for every little thing) and not something you own.

Not soon, NOW.

BMW (in 2020) wants customers to pay a subscription fee to use features the car already has installed, like a heated steering wheel or adaptive cruise control

In July, BMW plans to launch a comprehensive software update on compatible cars that includes digital personalisation and on-demand functions. The way it works, the automaker explained via a press release, is that BMW will provide the car’s necessary hardware and software during assembly so that, later on, it can be activated according to the buyer’s preference. BMW envisions a situation where, for example, if one customer wanted a feature that wasn’t requested when they bought the car, it can be added afterward. And if that car came into new ownership with someone else, that new owner could also activate the features that they want.

24 posted on 01/17/2022 8:42:18 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob
...your new $120,000 electric car is turned off remotely"

Nah. Your new EV will lock all the doors and drive you to the nearest police station. The police will be notified in advance of your crime and will be waiting to escort you to your cell.

Or maybe your car will drive you to the new North American Gulag in the Yukon Territory.

25 posted on 01/17/2022 8:44:32 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (81 million votes...and NOT ONE "Build Back Better" hat)
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To: DoodleBob

WHY POST OUT-OF-DATE ARTICLE?

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/43636/toyota-reviewing-key-fob-remote-start-subscription-plan-after-massive-blowback


26 posted on 01/17/2022 8:45:14 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: DoodleBob

Just buy the base model and you’ll get a hard key. My 2021 Tacoma is a base SR, no FOB.


27 posted on 01/17/2022 8:48:05 AM PST by LumberJack53213
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To: Grampa Dave
On the Lexus/Toyota question, I'd recommend calling the dealership. There may also be info on the web but caveat emptor

I know of LOTS of friends and coworkers getting offers for their pre-HAL vehicles, and the frequency has cranked up since supply chain problems crystallized.

It's real easy to run paranoid scenarios, where the government remotely drives you and your car off a cliff or turns off your homes' utilities because of a bad social credit score. It's always possible - the technology is there. Plausible? At this time, probably not because there are still too many people - centrists AND Deplorables - who'd be impacted and peeved. After all, even Statists don't want to die.

But running scenario analysis is a core element of any risk management function. And as they say, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't coming after you.

28 posted on 01/17/2022 8:54:32 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob
BMW (in 2020) wants customers to pay a subscription fee to use features the car already has installed, like a heated steering wheel or adaptive cruise control

If I'm leasing the car, I'd consider such charges to be part of the lease cost. If I buy the car, I'd jail-break the software and over-write the firmware controlling these features so they do whatever I want. I'll do whatever I please to property I own. The maker of the property will not.
29 posted on 01/17/2022 8:55:04 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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30 posted on 01/17/2022 8:55:40 AM PST by proust (All posts made under this handle are, for the intents and purposes of the author, considered satire.)
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To: DoodleBob

It’s not tin foil material at all, it will be a reality.

God how I hate the Twenty-First Century!


31 posted on 01/17/2022 8:57:30 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: TexasGator

I missed it in the sun, coach. Thanks.


32 posted on 01/17/2022 8:57:43 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob

And, some folks have thought I’m crazy for keeping my old car on the road. Takes a key. No one wants to carjack it at all. No one wants it at all. No one breaks into it. No one keys it. No car payment. AC works very well. Stereo still works (but I don’t listen due to liberal content everywhere). No sunroof to leak. Gets 26-27 mpg. Have fun with all of that computerized stuff on your vehicles. Spent over $400 getting the front shocks repaired due to difficult parts availability. Still a win.


33 posted on 01/17/2022 8:57:55 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: proust

ROFL.


34 posted on 01/17/2022 8:58:29 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: dfwgator

“God how I hate the Twenty-First Century!”

I love all the new technology


35 posted on 01/17/2022 9:02:32 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; DoodleBob
BMW (in 2020) wants customers to pay a subscription fee to use features the car already has installed, like a heated steering wheel or adaptive cruise control

Tesla did this with their Auto Drive software.

The Auto Drive software is preloaded on all of the cars it is available on and is activated or not at the time of sale if or if not the buyer pays for the option.

I read in an article that if the car is sold the new owner must pay for the software again.

If the new owner gets the car serviced, the dealer deactivates the software at that time.

And for a Tesla a dealer is about the only place you can get it service, other than for tires.

36 posted on 01/17/2022 9:08:40 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Drive by wire.

No mechanical connection between basic controls and you. All sensors and actuators. Now they want vehicles connected to the internet. What could go wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_by_wire#Uses_in_passenger_cars

I think I prefer a steering column connected to steering components. A brake pedal connected to the master cylinder. A gas pedal connected to the throttle.

37 posted on 01/17/2022 9:15:47 AM PST by Pollard (PureBlood -- https://youtube.com/watch?v=VXm0fkDituE)
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To: DoodleBob

This has become common with scientific equipment. Apparently it is cheaper to make all items top-of-the-line, rather than make different grades. It sounds like BMW only wants a one-time fee equal to what you would have paid initially.

But I agree, the X-as-service paradigm is awful.


38 posted on 01/17/2022 9:22:44 AM PST by PlateOfShrimp
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To: DoodleBob

I consistently refuse to pay for any “licenses” along these lines. The dealers try hard to sell you this BS. If enough people refuse to comply the business model will change. There’s always some schmuck that wants the gimmick bad enough though. If they try to sell you something critical like a subscription to start your car then you need to shop for a different car.


39 posted on 01/17/2022 9:23:14 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: Pollard

“I think I prefer a steering column connected to steering components. A brake pedal connected to the master cylinder. A gas pedal connected to the throttle.”

In RAIN/SNOW MODE my wife doesn’t have to worry about spinning my 750 hp Mustang.


40 posted on 01/17/2022 9:25:14 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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