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To: george76

I get sick thinking about sharing this with my vaxed friends... Should I or not? I tell them don’t take that crap anymore... but they don’t listen... I’ve shown them some articles but they don’t read them.... I feel like they might know, or should know by now and I feel like I’m rubbing their nose in the “I told you so” department from their point of view. This Sucks. Other viewpoints welcome. I feel like I can lead a horse to water but I cant make it drink.


3 posted on 02/26/2023 7:20:56 PM PST by Pocketdoor
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To: Pocketdoor

it isn’t the Vax that is causing this

the covid itself is doing it

I was never vaxxed

for a year I’ve had deadly
reactions I haven’t come out of yet


9 posted on 02/26/2023 7:32:36 PM PST by Firehath
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To: Pocketdoor

” I feel like I can lead a horse to water but I can’t make them drink”

That’s about it.


10 posted on 02/26/2023 7:33:10 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Pocketdoor

I wouldn’t bother. It’s a waste of energy you could be using to make new friends among unvaxxed people who will be around long enough to grow old with.

At this point, you may be doing more harm than good in that your vaxxed friends may get a booster to spite you whereas they might not bother to get one if you left them alone about the vax issue.

However, I would still keep abreast of research articles on the vaxseem in case your vaxxed friends bring something up. You want to be ready to refute something.


13 posted on 02/26/2023 7:35:39 PM PST by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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To: Pocketdoor

I’ve learned to keep my own counsel. The only lefties I still know are a BIL and his wife. Both have had 5 jabs. Early on I suggested that they hold off and see how things went. I pointed out the lack of testing and no idea of long term safety.

Pissing into the wind. You can’t tell these people anything. We don’t live in the same state, so I just no longer have any reason to talk to them. They have said they are going to keep getting the Jab as long as new ones get offered.

Point is, if they are still believers and members of the cult at this point, they aren’t changing. Hell, they both believe Biden has all his marbles.

They think my wife and I are kooks anyway because we own guns and keep several months supply of food on hand.


14 posted on 02/26/2023 7:35:50 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: Pocketdoor
What does your "vaxxed friends" have to do with it? Even if we assume this article is true: However, the VIRUS ITSELF does not activate the autoreactive B and T cells. The PROTEINS in the virus activate the autoreactive B and T cells. Complete virus is not found in those with Long COVID. The Spike Protein IS. The spike has also been proven to travel via nanotubes from cell to cell, evading the immune system – yet “planting” itself in ever more cells.

So this article, if we take it at face value, doesn't support your argument.

16 posted on 02/26/2023 7:37:57 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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Don’t feel bad. My oldest and dearest friend is rabidly pro-vax. I was telling him about Senger’s book Snake Oil, and his response was: “I don’t read books.” This from a guy with a Masters in education! I wasn’t interested in provoking an argument, so I said nothing. People can only accept truth in their own time and own way.


19 posted on 02/26/2023 7:44:37 PM PST by FlatulusMaximus
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To: Pocketdoor

I make sure that my opinions on the dangers of mRNA.vaccine are based on documented information in scientific journals.
Then I show my friends the articles and if they don’t care to read and think about it...there ain’t nothing I can do.
Many of my friends need to work and do not want to get COVID such that they die. They would rather take a chance on the dangers of a vaccine vs. chances of dying from COVID.
Ladies and gentlemen...place your bets. All of these decisions are based on incomplete information and fear. Pretty lousy way to decide.


32 posted on 02/26/2023 8:10:45 PM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
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To: Pocketdoor

it’s all very sickening and angering. as a Chistian, i really had the responsibility to tell them family and friends the unvarnished truth about the jab once i’d done enough research. and there was nothing nice about the way i told them the hard science. despite the fact that i’m a retired pro in the medical field, and so is my wife. they didn’t believe me.

but as the Lord said, “The blood is on their heads.” not now on mine.


37 posted on 02/26/2023 8:17:49 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Pocketdoor

“Should I or not? I tell them don’t take that crap anymore.”

It’s worse, now when NFL players collapse, or some 47 year old friend of a friend dies, or some kid falls on their face dead at school or on the field, my beautiful vaxxed wife will say to me, “Now dear, you don’t know their medical background so you cannot assume....”

Whatever. I have eyes and they are wide open. I hope and pray she stays with me long enough to prove me wrong.


42 posted on 02/26/2023 8:34:40 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Pocketdoor

It may not be just the vaxxed.

I was never vaxxed. I have lung damage from COVID. I went from no COPD to Stage 2 in under 3 years.

Then, in December, I started collapsing. Walking along perfectly fine, touring a client’s community, to passed out cold in just a few seconds. I felt myself losing consciousness and braced my back against the wall. When I woke up, I was sprawled on the floor and my client was calling the ambulance.

Emergency room confirmed no heart attack or blood clots. Angiogram confirmed heart is great. Neurologist confirmed no seizures or issues with the brain.

It’s happened 4 times in 3 months.

The last incident was awful. I started losing consciousness in my son’s bedroom. I was able to lay down on the floor as it hit. Incredible chest pain, rapid heart rate, brain fog, the works. I wound up puking on the carpet and in my hair.

The most terrifying part was realizing that if I did not concentrate on - and mentally command - my diaphragm to expand and contract, my body would not breath on its own. I was suffocating because my involuntary breathing functions had ceased. It took about two minutes before it started again, with me focusing the entire time on moving my diaphragm. If I had not remained conscious, I would be dead.

My son and husband were freaking out. My son stated it was like watching me slowly die and he was helpless to save me. I recovered three hours later, just in time for a zoom meeting with a client.

I used to call COVID Fauci’s Frankenstein’s monster. I think Demon Spawn is a better term. It is destroying my life bit by bit.

If there is any justice in this world, the people who created this bioweapon will know the overwhelming fear one experiences when their body stops breathing and they are clawing for air. If there is any justice in this world, they will be alone in their desperation and not surrounded, as I was, with people who love them. If there is any justice in this world, they will not have the wherewithal to figure out how to survive.

That is what they deserve. I’ve had a preview of how I’m going to die. They deserve the same.


44 posted on 02/26/2023 8:41:20 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....!)
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To: Pocketdoor

Whenever I speak to someone getting over Covid, I ask if they have had their shots. If the answer is yes, I tell them they should return to the provider for a new set because the first weren’t enough. When they ask if I have had my shots, I tell them, hell no. They look puzzled.


50 posted on 02/26/2023 9:29:13 PM PST by healy61
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To: Pocketdoor
I get sick thinking about sharing this with my vaxed friends... Should I or not? I tell them don’t take that crap anymore... but they don’t listen... I’ve shown them some articles but they don’t read them....

I know what you mean. I felt, at times, like one of those guys who knocks on the door and says "Sir or ma'am, may I take a moment to talk to you about Jesus?"

My strategy lately has been to say, to those I know who took the shot but not any boosters, "Hey, I was worried about you taking the shot, but from what I've read, it's not the shot so much that people are having problems with, but the boosters, so I'm glad you haven't taken any of those. If you haven't had any side effects from the shot itself, you're probably good to go."

This is not entirely true, in the sense that the initial shot DOES seem to have the potential to have delayed side effects, but I pray it will be. And I also pray they don't take any of the boosters.
56 posted on 02/26/2023 10:08:09 PM PST by fr_freak
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