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Midway 04 June 1942
04 June 2023 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 06/04/2023 9:32:16 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

A Great Talk on the Battle;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9rkKtK1b44&t=193s


TOPICS: Education; History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: midway; ww2

1 posted on 06/04/2023 9:32:16 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

US Navy Crypto Group and the battle of Midway.

As in any great endeavor, luck did indeed play a role, but Nimitz’s “Incredible Victory” was no
miracle. Gordon Prange, the distinguished historian, noted that “Midway was a positive
American victory not merely the avoidance of defeat.” General George Marshall, the U.S. Army
Chief of Staff, in his comments on the victory, perhaps said it best, “ as a result of Cryptanalysis
we were able to concentrate our limited forces to meet their naval advance on Midway when we
otherwise would have been 3,000 miles out of place.”

In the end, Yamamoto’s worst fears had become a reality. Due to an impressive mix of
leadership, determination and skill on the part of Admiral Nimitz, the officers and men of Station
Hypo, and the pilots soldiers, sailors and marines who carried the fight to the enemy, Japan
would be on the defensive for the rest of the war.

https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/about/cryptologic-heritage/historical-figures-publications/publications/wwii/battle-midway.pdf

https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/Recent/Article-View/Article/2686356/navy-cryptology-and-the-battle-of-midway-our-finest-hour/


2 posted on 06/04/2023 9:36:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortage of experts, who state things as fact, but really have no idea!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Bittersweet.

From my perspective, it was a foreign country that won at Midway. To me, it’s like reading about battles from antiquity.

America is vastly weaker now, declining and on the ropes at the hands of the Communists - democrats and republicans.


3 posted on 06/04/2023 9:37:42 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: US Navy Vet

I’ve watched this a couple of times. Good series on other battles as well.

https://youtu.be/1w30FkSXyTE


4 posted on 06/04/2023 9:38:20 AM PDT by nesnah (Infringe - act so as to limit or undermine [something]; encroach on)
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To: Grampa Dave

I just finished reading Prange’s book.


5 posted on 06/04/2023 10:00:46 AM PDT by rdl6989 ( )
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To: US Navy Vet

Three GREAT Midway Books(Avail on Audible too);
https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Sword-audiobook/dp/B07QFB2BLX/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3LX5WIXDR9C2J&keywords=jon+parshall&qid=1685899801&sprefix=Jon+Parsh%2Caps%2C300&sr=8-2

AND
https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Pivotal-Moments-American-History/dp/B008563P1W/ref=sr_1_3?crid=4XGNPXX5W47S&keywords=Midway&qid=1685899873&s=audible&sprefix=midway%2Caudible%2C111&sr=1-3

ANDhttps://www.amazon.com/Midway-Inquest-Dallas-W-Isom-audiobook/dp/B01L9UTL18/ref=sr_1_15?crid=4XGNPXX5W47S&keywords=Midway&qid=1685899903&s=audible&sprefix=midway%2Caudible%2C111&sr=1-15


6 posted on 06/04/2023 10:32:06 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Trump Train!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave

https://www.amazon.com/Joe-Rocheforts-War-Elliot-Carlson-audiobook/dp/B007VBEESK/ref=sr_1_12?crid=4XGNPXX5W47S&keywords=Midway&qid=1685899903&s=audible&sprefix=midway%2Caudible%2C111&sr=1-12


7 posted on 06/04/2023 10:32:34 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Trump Train!!!)
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To: US Navy Vet
Amazing really. Six months after Pearl Harbor and the United States turned the tide, and essentially
won the war. Let's hear it for the Commander Joseph Rochefort and his team of crypto nerds at Station HYPO.

Nerds! Nerds! Nerds!


8 posted on 06/04/2023 10:34:50 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: rdl6989

Also highly recommended, ‘And I Was There’ by Edwin T. Layton who was the Pacific Fleet Intelligence Officer based in Pearl Harbor (if you haven’t read it already). Details a lot of behind the scenes activity in the various intelligence offices. An interesting and pretty easy read, you’ll come away dismayed, but maybe not surprised, at some of the officers who put their career before the well being of the country.


9 posted on 06/04/2023 10:43:02 AM PDT by Roadrunner383
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To: US Navy Vet

Thanks, his book is on my to order list:

Elliot Carlson’s biography of Captain Joe Rochefort is the first to be written of the officer who headed the U.S. Navy’s decrypt unit at Pearl Harbor and broke the Japanese Navy’s code before the Battle of Midway.

Listeners will share Rochefort’s frustrations as he searches in vain for Yamamoto’s fleet prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and share his joy when he succeeds in tracking the fleet in early 1942 and breaks the code that leads him to believe Yamamoto’s invasion target is Midway.

His conclusions, bitterly opposed by some top navy brass, are credited with making the U.S. victory possible and helping change the course of the war.

The author tells the story of how opponents in Washington forced Rochefort’s removal from the decrypt unit at Pearl and denied him the Distinguished Service Medal recommended by Admiral Nimitz.

In capturing the interplay of policy and personality and the role played by politics at the highest levels of the Navy, Carlson reveals a side of the intelligence community seldom seen by outsiders.

For a full understanding of the man, Carlson examines Rochefort’s love-hate relationship with cryptanalysis, his adventure-filled years in the 1930s as the right-hand man to the Commander in Chief of the U.S. Fleet, and his return to code-breaking in mid-1941 as the officer in charge of Station Hypo at Pearl Harbor.

He traces Rochefort’s career from his enlistment in 1918 to his posting in Washington as head of the Navy’s code-breaking desk at age 25, and beyond. In many ways a reinterpretation of Rochefort, the book makes clear the key role his codebreaking played in the outcome of Midway and the legacy he left of reporting actionable intelligence directly to the fleet.

An epilogue describes efforts waged by Rochefort’s colleagues to obtain the medal denied him in 1942, a drive that finally paid off in 1986, when the medal was awarded posthumously.


10 posted on 06/04/2023 11:40:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortage of experts, who state things as fact, but really have no idea!)
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To: rdl6989

Thanks!

Another book for my to read list.


11 posted on 06/04/2023 11:41:43 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortage of experts, who state things as fact, but really have no idea!)
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To: US Navy Vet
US Navy Historian Samuel Eliot Morison summed up the battle thusly:

Midway was a victory not only of courage, determination, and excellent bombing technique, but of intelligence, bravely and wisely applied.“

12 posted on 06/04/2023 12:23:21 PM PDT by PerConPat ( A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.- Mencken)
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