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1 posted on 10/07/2023 1:26:03 AM PDT by Jonty30
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What I have realized is that most humans are simply so stupid they can be made to believe anything.


2 posted on 10/07/2023 1:38:09 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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The Communists has been hiding behind the Nazis (or fascism) for way too long. The path to each is a bit different, but in reality they end up being the same thing. Those who equate republicans and/or the far right with fascists are making use of this, while exposing who they really are.


4 posted on 10/07/2023 1:46:01 AM PDT by jasonandtheb
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Hayek addressed this well 80ish years ago.

Although our modern socialists’ promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under “communism” and “fascism.” As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, “the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.”

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

— F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


5 posted on 10/07/2023 1:52:07 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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There was an article in National Review in the 1980’s that compared Nazi and Soviet art, ideals, and propaganda. I forget the title and the writer. The similarities were amazing.

I did a quick online search and found these comparisons of Nazi and Soviet propaganda posters.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/24934238.html


7 posted on 10/07/2023 2:29:04 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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:: that thin sliver that sits between communism and fascism ::

Since there never was, and can not be, a functioning communism, that thin sliver is larger than you would think.
Research Democratic Centralism.
It is the ideal of the Bolshevik Party (Soviets).
It is Democratic Centralism that killed the 250 million.
What is currently termed “our Democracy” is Democratic Centralism.
And the progressive liberals of today are no less than Bolsheviks/Soviets.


10 posted on 10/07/2023 3:01:04 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Cracker...)
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Mussolini’s fascism was having the government cooperate with companies to control the populace - sound familiar?

Fascism, socialism, communism, actually make no diff. Those names are distractions.

The common goal of all systems is totalitarian power in the state.


11 posted on 10/07/2023 3:02:21 AM PDT by fruser1
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Show me a liberal that isn’t lying, and I’ll show you one that’s in a coma.


12 posted on 10/07/2023 3:23:40 AM PDT by afchief
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The overused term Right Wing is used as a pejorative by the Left in order to try to demonize anyone who stands up for principles associated with Nationalism or even general conservative and libertarian principles. I wrote an article on my blog on the Boer Nation concerning this very topic a number of years ago. Correct Term Boer Nationalist Not Right Winger. Just about anybody the Left does not like is deemed a Right Winger even if they might not even be on the Right.
14 posted on 10/07/2023 3:47:44 AM PDT by Republican1795.
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Hayek provided the best treatment I’ve seen on fascism vs communism. Not only was his explanation clear and thorough, but based on his career and the time and places he lived, it’s hard to imagine anyone more credible on the topic.

It’s also true that the Left has made a deliberate effort to pin fascism on their opponents for many decades. See my tag line.


15 posted on 10/07/2023 3:52:30 AM PDT by cockroach_magoo (“Sure we’ll have Fascism here, but it will come as an anti-Fascism movement.”  - Huey Long)
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Mussolini turn to fascism when his socialism had failed.

Who is Gentile?


16 posted on 10/07/2023 3:59:29 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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What may blow your mind even more are those two adornments on either side of the flag in the US HoR Chamber. They are fasces

17 posted on 10/07/2023 3:59:33 AM PDT by Theophilus (It's far easier to rig a jury than an election)
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--- "...they are on the side of big government, with all the other big government political systems of liberalism, socialism, communism, and fascism. They are on the side of those that murdered 250 million people, enslaved over a billion, started the majority of major 20th century wars and aborted over 2 billion unborn children. Liberals are on that side."
Demonstrated very nicely with fine research by Rudy Rummel -- "Death by government." Highly recommended.

POWER KILLS; DEMOCRACY AND WAR


19 posted on 10/07/2023 4:07:26 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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Liberal semantics.

Getting caught up in pointless arguments over the technical definitions of words meanings, particularly communist, socialist and fascist, is simply a waste of time and plays into the hands of liberal retards.

It's a mental exercise used to obfuscate and misdirect, and simply shows the immaturity of liberals who cling to the technical definitions that have little meaning outside of academia.

I simply point out that all of the above are more or less the same in the end. The "leaders" who reap all of the rewards, and everyone else who serves and obeys the "leaders". Simplified, yes, but any "deeper" is useless bantering that really signifies nothing, IMO.
20 posted on 10/07/2023 4:08:33 AM PDT by Pox (Eff You China. Buy American!)
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Yes, I’ve had this debate many times. Some are determined to avoid admitting that the national SOCIALISTS were........wait for it.....Socialists.

Nevermind the numerous quotes from ole Adolf himself who openly said he was a socialist.

Nevermind the acknowledgments at the time from the likes of Time Magazine that what the Nazis were doing was not very different from what the State Socialists aka Communists in Russia were doing.

Nevermind that they believed in the same flawed “shrinking markets” (socialist) theory and that they had the same goals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go2OFpO8fyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXqFgqOviw

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2001/09/adam-young/the-nazis-were-socialists/

https://wallbuilders.com/the-nazis-really-were-socialists/


24 posted on 10/07/2023 4:50:13 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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Rule of thumb and prerequisite when Dems make a statement or label something, it is always the exact polar opposite of what they spout.


26 posted on 10/07/2023 5:07:04 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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Fascism is not about policy, it’s ALWAYS about control. The more party seeks to control the population has a closer it gets to fascism. A party that wants to arrest you for using the (right)”wrong” pronoun, confiscate your stovetop or ceiling fan, mandate you “choice” of power source for your vehicle, register your currency to track your purchases snd limit what you can eat. Is already fascist.


28 posted on 10/07/2023 5:07:59 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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The reason why the fascists are on the right is because Hitler betrayed Stalin and attacked the Soviet Union after a period of alliance. Since Soviet communism was the Left, Hitler obviously was the opposite and thus on the Right. Other that Hitler's racism, it would be hard to tell the difference between Soviet and Nazi policies - they were not opposites.

It is interesting seeing socialists and communists praising Hitler in 1939 to 1941 and suddenly declaring Hitler to be enemy number one. Even before 1939 many socialists were fans of fascism. In Orwell's 1984, the quick shift over who was the enemy without anyone being allowed to mention that the change occured was making fun of the quick change by British communists in 1941.

30 posted on 10/07/2023 5:11:08 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago )
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For many years (once I began thinking of it) I view the political spectrum not with Fascism at one side and Leftism at the other, but anarchy at one end and full totalitarianism at the other.

Communism and Fascism are very close to each other at the totalitarian end of the spectrum, and this makes sense. Even in the earlier 20th Century it was recognized by both Communists and Fascists that people could easily make the jump from one totalitarian ideology to the to the other.


34 posted on 10/07/2023 5:25:01 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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Nazi...

The German abbreviation for National Socialist German Workers Party.

Oh, those Right Wing tricksters!

Pretending they are Socialists and support Worker rights!


37 posted on 10/07/2023 5:48:20 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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You’re a real thinker....


41 posted on 10/07/2023 6:00:41 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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