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The Fourteen Facts about US Aid to Ukraine

15. It's Bottomless.

16. Aid Money grows on trees. Yep, the trees next to the Federal Reserve building in Washington.

In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”

Since the start of the invasion, Ukraine has refused to release official counts of dead and wounded. But according to U.S. and European estimates, the toll has long surpassed 100,000 on each side of the war. It has eroded the ranks of Ukraine’s armed forces so badly that draft offices have been forced to call up ever older personnel, raising the average age of a soldier in Ukraine to around 43 years.

Now recruitment is way down. As conscription efforts have intensified around the country, stories are spreading on social media of draft officers pulling men off trains and buses and sending them to the front. Those with means sometimes bribe their way out of service, often by paying for a medical exemption. Such episodes of corruption within the recruitment system became so widespread by the end of the summer that on Aug. 11 Zelensky fired the heads of the draft offices in every region of the country.

‘Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’ Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the Fight

TIME
10/30/23
Simon Shuster

Wow they actually removed my comment. Guess it’s getting time to leave here Same as I did when you idiots were pushing for the Iraq war. I guess this is a forum for stupid people only.

why did you have comment #2 pulled?

Twitter link to post #1

#1 @DavidSacks talks about Donald Trump's criticism of Victoria Nuland's involvement in the ousting of Ukraine's democratically elected government in 2014:

"Nuland is the Fauci of this situation. In the same way that Fauci was supposed to be protecting us from viruses, and then he funded gain of function research, Victoria Nuland was supposed to be our chief diplomat with respect to Russia and Eastern Europe. And what did she do instead?

She ginned up this conflict by backing an insurrection in Ukraine in 2014... They brought in these Ukrainian far-right nationalists as the muscle. She was the State Department official who was responsible for backing this insurrection of a democratically elected leader in 2014...

Ever since then, the relationship with the Russians over Ukraine has been heading south. If you are wondering why Putin seized Crimea, it was in direct retaliation for the coup that we backed in 2014. This is the origin of the conflict, and the fact that Trump is willing to talk about it is pretty incredible."

ransomnote: video at link is 2 minutes, 34 seconds in length.

Twitter link to post #2

#2 @DavidSacks discusses how the U.S. has been unwilling to pursue diplomatic efforts to end the war and how BRICS nations and the southern hemisphere want the U.S. to engage in peace negotiations:

"Before the war, Biden refused to take NATO expansion off the table. He refused to recognize the Russian interest in Crimea, and we gave no support to the Minsk Agreements, which would have given some limited autonomy to the Russian speakers in the Donbas area. If we had just done those three things, there would have been no war."

"It's a lose-lose situation now... Biden has invested his whole presidency in this, and he can't just let them lose, which means more escalation from us. And on the Russian side, if they lose, then they have the incentive to use nuclear weapons to rescue the situation. So both scenarios are really bad."

"We actually don't have the whole world with us at all; the BRICS countries, the whole southern hemisphere, they would like the U.S. to negotiate a peace deal, not saber-rattling or escalating. This is why the Russian sanctions have not been effective, like a 3% to 4% hit, because there are enough other countries that are willing to do business with them."

ransomnote: video at link is 2 minutes, 6 seconds in length
Twitter link to post #3

#3 @DavidSacks discusses how the Biden administration's Ukrainian policies are driving Russia, China, and India toward forming a new axis bloc:

"We are pushing China and Russia together into a new axis block. This is very foolish. Even during the Cold War, we worked to keep Russia and China apart. And, whatever you think of those regimes today, they were much worse back then.

Remember, the Soviets had a Stalinist regime, and the Chinese had Mao; those are two of the three biggest mass murders of the 20th century, and Nixon and Kissinger still went to China and shook Mao's hand and toasted him because it was important to keep China and the Soviet Union divided.

And what are we doing today? We are basically pushing them together with all this condemnation and outrage. It is not a smart strategy.

This is poisoning our relationship with India. India is the biggest democracy in the world, and our relations with them have gone south since this war because they have a friendship with Russia that goes back a long way."

ransomnote: video at link is 1 minute, 41 seconds in length

Twitter link to post #4

#4@Jason and @chamath believe the War in Ukraine might not have happened if Donald Trump were still the President:

"I think he is exceptionally pragmatic on being anti-war, and I think that is one of the most positive characteristics that he showed. He was really the only president in modern history that hasn't gotten us embroiled in a new war.

So I suspect that there would have been some kind of deal... He would have fired all the deep-state blob that started to position anything toward a conflict.

I think he would have shut the door so ferociously on Ukraine and NATO and I think the end result would have been Putin could have found an off-ramp before he invaded."

ransomnote: the video at the link is 1 minute, 42 seconds in length

Twitter link for post #5

#5 @Jason and @DavidSacks advocate for the Biden administration to prioritize de-escalation and diplomacy over escalation and saber-rattling:

"That's the thing I didn't like about Biden's speech over there. He's escalating, escalating, escalating... You don't need to have Biden go in their saber-rattling; it was too much saber-rattling and not enough de-escalation.

Nobody wants to fight a never-ending war. This is what got Bush in trouble. This was the big critique; we are spending all of this money over in the Middle East on these conflicts."

"The American people want an American president to focus on American problems... You had Kamala Harris this week go to the Munich summit declaring the Russians are guilty of crimes against humanity...

When you accuse them of war crimes, it implies we are going to go chasing them all the way to Moscow. They are not going to want to end this war when they can be put on trial at The Hague. This is highly inflammatory. This thing is not going in the right direction."

ransomnote: video at link is 2 minutes, 15 seconds in length

Fact: For a relatively modest amount of money, US aid helps Ukraine dismantle Russia’s armed forces without a single American firing a shot or being shot at.

Americans are permitted to retire from the military, fight in the Ukraine, and then return to the military once back in America. I know Americanmedic was killed, and I'm sure the Biden administration knows of others. Also, the techonology we send the Ukraine sometimes requires American military members to operate (missiles etc.)

The amount of money given to the Ukraine as 'foreign aid' is not a modest amount. The US sent Afghanistan a total of 39 million dollars of foreign aid over the course of 20 years. The US has sent 113 Billion dollars in foreign aid to the Ukraine in less than 2 years. Biden/Congress traitors want to send another 39 billion to the Ukraine, even though it's clearly losing the war, and has been for some time.

Russian troops have ravaged Ukraine’s cities, raped its women, and stolen its children.

ransomnote: Boilerplate propaganda like that would be easier to beleive if the Ukraine wasn't known for child trafficking, organ harvesting, sex trafficking etc.

Russian missiles and Iranian drones strike Ukrainian cities daily, often hitting civilian targets.
Western Ukraine was bombing/killing citizens in the Donbass because that location has high numbers of people of Russian descent. So apparently the Ukrainians were just 'cleaning their gene pool' per article 16 of the UKrainie's Constitution:
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Support for Zelensky/Ukraine is support for Biden/Deep State, cranked wrote:
NEVER GOOGLE ARTICLE 16 OF UKRAINES CONSTITUTION. WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE! https://mobile.twitter.com/REVMAXXING/status/1581441449811267584

Instead of sending $100 billion to Ukraine, how about spending that $100 billion, to deport 20 million illegals ($5000 per alien) ?

I follow some things from Hudson.
Sort of an All Voices kind of experience.

Corporate Rand’s pieces about the Swarm, immigration, and other geopolitical forces for many decades have been on point.

Like reading Mother Jones, pieces from Greenpeace, or even listening to NPR, lots of voices is a good thing.
That half of them are like Brain Diarrhea is beside the point.

It’s mostly just MIC NeoCon boilerplate- Funny how you will hear their phrases/talking points all over the place.

15.) There are zero American interests in Ukraine.

16.) Ukraine is not a democracy, it is a kleptocracy.

17.) America needs to be concerned about its border before being concerned about Ukraine’s border.

18.) America simply cannot afford paying for Ukraine to steal our tax dollars.

19.) Ukraine is going to lose regardless of how much money and weapons we give them. It’s bad money chasing bad money.

20.) Ukraine is the epitome of an America last policy.

We shouldn't be supporting the Ukraine for countless reasons, but the neo Nazi aspect is the most repulsive. Well, wait - the organ harvesting/child trafficking is up there too.

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Support for Zelensky/Ukraine is support for Biden/Deep State, little jeremiah wrote:
I have files... I’ll drop a some stuff on this thread.
Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion attempts rebranding’
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/06/03/ykgh-j03.html
British Media ‘Whitewashing’ Ukrainian Neo-Nazis: UK Editor’
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/British-Media-Whitewashing-Ukrainian-Neo-Nazis-UK-Editor-20220530-0001.html
Ukraine’s Neo-Nazis
https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/6/21533/Ukraines-Neo-Nazis?infinitescroll=1
Jon Stewart, DOD Honor AZOV BATTALION NAZI At Disney World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zoB_6c0cag
Adam Schiff meets with members of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion
https://www.worldtribune.com/adam-schiff-meets-with-members-of-ukraines-neo-nazi-azov-battalion/
Zelensky Speech With Nazi AZOV BATTALION Prompts Greek Lawmakers To WALK OUT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0tAWaNEhU8
Start at the 4:58 mark - Ukrainian school books glorifying Nazis:
‘RT News - Sep 19 2022’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtB_r5yazsg
The ideology of the Banderists (Bandera idolized today in Ukraine, a big Nazi supporter in history)
https://www.voltairenet.org/article217363.html

FACTS:

"Since Russia invaded Ukraine for the second time in eight years, Russian troops have ravaged Ukraine’s cities, raped its women, and stolen its children."

That's a bullshit lie and you are a bullshit liar for parroting it.

There are an awful lot of ‘facts’ this fellow is promoting - with just his mouth and bravado as proof. In looking at his background, I can see why.

https://www.hudson.org/experts/1453-luke-coffey

F-15 ‘s on the way as well.

A Third of Humanitarian Aid for Ukraine’s Military has ‘Disappeared’
Kiev Post ^ | 10/20/23 | Kiev Post
Posted on 10/20/2023, 12:58:32 PM by JonPreston
Around a third of the humanitarian aid intended for the armed forces did not reach the 200 or so military units for which it was intended after clearing customs, the State Customs Service of Ukraine has said.
“During 9 months of 2023, as a result of the joint measures of the Department for Combating Smuggling and Customs Violations of the State Customs Service and the Department of Internal Audit of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, more than 9,000 instances of the movement of humanitarian aid goods intended for 200 military units were checked,” the agency said.
In doing so they established more than 3,000 cases of where its receipt by military units had not been confirmed.
Customs also reported that they had sent 387 reports that indicated possible criminal actions the Criminal Code of Ukraine [regarding illegal use of humanitarian aid for profit - ed.]
(Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...

> Fact: For a relatively modest amount of money, US aid helps… <

Political considerations aside, that’s the problem right there. For a relatively modest amount of money, we do all sorts of things everywhere in the world.

Those “relatively modest amounts” add up. It’s a financial death by a thousand cuts.

Interesting that they don’t specify what Coffey did in the US Army. Only that he was an officer. According to LinkedIn he served 6 years and then went to work for the British. Something odd about that.

Anywho, he’s a warmongering clown from some ridiculous “think tank” staffed by “experts”. The same ones that have gotten us to this point in time.

Clandestine

@WarClandestine

1) HOLY S***! I think I may be onto something about #Ukraine. Zelensky said the Russians are firing at “military installations”. How broad is that term? I am seeing speculation that could include US installed biolabs. At first I was like no way. Then I started digging.

1:14 AM · Feb 24, 2022