Posted on 11/24/2023 2:15:34 PM PST by John S Mosby
Wondering if the Tech experts and election legal experts here on FR could suggest how to prevent supposedly "not connected to the internet" (which turned out to BE connected and transmitting to sat uplinks to Europe and, back. Per Trump's NYTimes numbers graphics broadcast showing coordination of time, and the millions of bytes of data- also tracked by US cyber sleuths in DOD).
Do this through State law, and funding requiring each precinct NOT be able to transmit or in some way be encrypted if transmitting so these actions can be foiled.
Reaching out for creative effective ideas, laws, regs. enforcement and poll watchers too. We don't win this we have a bunch of loonies continuing to be "elected" when they could not ever be in a normal world.
Maybe take this off line- don't give the jokers ANY info on how and what we know.
By changing “digital votes” to paper ballots and requiring photo ID and signature verification.
Just ban all electronic voting
I like it— Direct Action. Put them in Public Eye and answerable.
That would be optimal.
It would also be cheap, fast and auditable.
Take the door off a microwave oven an bypass the interlocks and you’ve got a Wi-Fi jammer. Just don’t get near it (unless you’re done having kids).
Impossible.
What is impossible about it. Or did I miss the sarcasm?
Paper ballots are cheap, counting them is fast, and the results are auditable.
How do they do secure money transfers around the world?
Same technology.
Traceable, and very secure.
The existing system is from the 60’s based on punchcards.
I stopped using them when I was in High School.
Yes, you miss the sarcasm. I thought it to be too obvious to need a sarcasm tag.
I agree with you. The Constitution basically demands in person voting and with ID. Since we cannot trust the gatekeepers to not unhook the machines from the internet, we can’t use machines.
I just wasn’t sure.
It’s not clear that this would accomplish anything, because a dedicated fraudster could theoretically transmit data over the power line.
Ultimately, there are simply too many ways to alter incoming votes AT or within the voting machine. There might be some value to providing a checksum; where all the votes are “added up” into a giant number that overflows continuously, destroying its most significant digit, but ends up with (say) a unique 6 or 8 digit number which could be compared at site “A” with (what should be) that same number at site “B”; both on a calculator-type roll of paper generated at the machine and also transmitted in a separate data packet to wherever the voting machine’s data is transmitted to.
We used to do this with PROMs. Programmable Read Only Memory. Used for machine firmware. The PROM is huge field of 8 or 16-bit numbers which were machine code for the operating software for some machine. The PROMs are “burnt” in a (what else?) PROM burner. All those 8 bit numbers are added up, which turns into a gigantic number, but the significant digits are continually thrown out. In other words, you simply add up 8,192 numbers of 8 digits each. The result is a gigantic number but you don’t care about the billions and gazillions. You just take the last 8 digits of the final number. Now you match that 8 digit number at some point with what should be that same 8 digit number at another location. Trust me, if there is *any* alteration in *any* of those 8 digit numbers of the 8,192, the checksums will not match. It will not tell you WHERE or WHAT the error(s) is/are, but will tell that something is hinky with near metaphysical accuracy.
Please forgive me for reiterating 1982 technology. But the concept is still used.
I understand. There are people out there who think that because you spent millions on digital infrastructure that we can’t go back.
The primary fault is mine. :)
I’ve been a computer software engineer for 30 years. If someone would ask me I could tell them exactly how. And exactly why.
I could also explained everything that went wrong in the 2020 election.
Use a Dominion tabulator that counts paper ballots which are archived to preserve the audit trail. That’s standard for every election in Canada except at the federal level, where to this day paper ballots are hand-counted after the polls close on Election Night.
Super glue the door shut on remote ballot drop boxes.
Voter ID, in person same day voting, paper ballots.
Yup. No electronic voting.
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