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Weekly Garden Thread - December 16-22, 2023 [Winter Garden Planning]
December 16, 2023 | Diana in WI/Greeneyes in Memoriam

Posted on 12/16/2023 6:27:39 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

If you have specific question about a plant/problem you are having, please remember to state the Growing Zone where you are located.

This thread is a non-political respite. No matter what, you won’t be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

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1 posted on 12/16/2023 6:27:39 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin
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Gardeners in northern zones might be snuggled up in their beds while visions of cherry tomatoes dance in their heads, and gardeners in southern zones are still pulling fresh carrots out of the ground and snipping kale for holiday meals.

But, there is some winter garden planning in both northern and southern zones that should be done before Rudolph takes flight. Whether it’s pruning, planning, or purchasing, there is garden work to do in early winter, no matter where you live.

Ordering Bulbs and Tubers

If you think it’s too early to start planning next year’s garden, maybe you haven’t received the first seed catalogs in the mail yet. Several have already arrived at my door, telling me it’s time to get a move on.

Spring-planted bulbs are on sale now, even though the vendors won’t ship them until spring. In fact, many premium dahlia sellers hold flash sales and sell out in a few hours–or minutes. Gladiolas, calla lilies, crocosmia, cannas, ranunculus, begonias, and, of course, dahlias all get planted in spring. Spring-planted bulbs and tubers also make great gifts!

If you find a vendor you like, sign up for their newsletter or follow them on social media. After the initial sale, there will often be a secondary sale to finish selling off inventory before shipping time.

Years ago, orders could wait a bit, but with the increased interest in gardening over the past several years, many top varieties sell out by January. Don’t be caught out in the cold!

Protect Young Trees

Newly planted trees and shrubs, or even those a few years old, are in danger during winter from cold weather and hungry critters. Rabbits, especially, can girdle (meaning to remove all the bark and living tissue) young ornamental trees in minutes. Hungry mice have been known to kill small trees as well. Deer dreaming of the alfalfa fields of summer will browse on any tender twig they can find — especially your new apple tree that was doing so well.

Frigid temps before snow blankets the ground can cause root damage to young trees and shrubs. Mulch over the roots with several inches of wood chips, straw, or other material. Don’t pile it around the trunk like a mound; apply it thickly and evenly, as wide as the drip line. Keep the mulch from touching the trunk.

Wrapping young tree trunks for protection against sunscald and bark injury can be done with white plastic tree guards, which also help with the rabbit and mice problem. Ensure the guards are fastened to the tree so they won’t slide up and expose the base of the sapling. Tubes of hardware cloth can also be used. Make them about six inches larger than the tree’s diameter and bury the base in the ground a couple of inches. If deer are a problem, use fence posts and chicken wire fencing to make a circular protection zone a foot larger than the tree’s branches.

Soil Testing

Instead of trying to get results from the lab in spring when they’re busy, now (if your ground isn’t yet frozen) is the perfect time to send those samples in. You’ll get results in plenty of time to make any recommended amendments, and you won’t be waiting for results in spring when you should be planting.

Most state universities offer soil testing. Search online for garden+soil test+your state.

Cover the Soil

Many gardeners in more temperate regions don’t receive the heavy blanket of snow those in the north enjoy. Bare soil is subject to erosion by wind and isn’t as hospitable for any overwintering microbial life in your soil.

Healthy soil is rarely bare in nature at any season. Be a copycat and cover your garden soils. It’s too late for most of us to plant cover crops, but a layer of mulch will do a lot to protect your soil all winter long, and by the time you are ready to plant in spring, it can just be worked into the soil. More food for your soil microorganisms! Straw (not hay), leaves, pine needles, or even newspaper (weigh it down) can all work well.

Speaking of leaves and pine needles, if you are raking your yard in the fall, keep those piles for mulch now or in spring. Don’t bag them up and put them on the curb — they’re too valuable!

Check on Stored Veggies and Tubers

With the holiday rush on us, it can be easy to forget that your prized bulbs, strings of onions, and a few winter squash are tucked away somewhere. These first few weeks of storage are critical and the time when most problems with storage conditions will surface.

Check on them every week or two, looking for mold (too moist) or dehydration (not enough moisture), and adjust accordingly.

For the rest of the winter, set a recurring appointment on your calendar to give them a peek every 2-3 weeks. Remove anything that is starting to show signs of mold or rot.

Do Some Garden Planning

Along with ordering bulbs and seeds comes planning the garden. After all, you can’t figure out what to order without drawing fun maps and chewing on a pencil!

Make a cup of tea and do some sketching, or try one of the many garden planning apps available. Either way, it will help you to make a list of what to order and to avoid ordering more than you can possibly use — something many of us do all too often.

Set Up a Seed Starting System

With pre-holiday sales, now is the time to buy those kits, grow lights, trays, heat mats, and other items you’d like to have for spring seed starting. Some crops will be started as seedlings in only a couple of months, so it’s just the right time to clear a spot in that spare room or figure out how to fit a few shelves and lights into your dining room.

A sunny window is usually not bright enough light, resulting in leggy, spindly seedlings. Get your garden off to a good start by getting ready for the seed-starting season now.

https://kellogggarden.com/uncategorized/winter-garden-planning-101/


2 posted on 12/16/2023 6:31:01 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: 4everontheRight; Augie; Apple Pan Dowdy; Aevery_Freeman; ApplegateRanch; ArtDodger; AloneInMass; ...

3 posted on 12/16/2023 6:35:11 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Shivering Here in MA. Not Freezing, just damp and cold. Mom used to call this kind of weather “RAW”.

Good morning!

(((HUGS)))


4 posted on 12/16/2023 6:40:50 AM PST by left that other site (Romans 8:28)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good Morning Diana! With 6” of white stuff on the ground, there isn’t much I can do right now other than mapping and planning.

The garden room isn’t doing quite as well as I had hoped, but I think that is related to light timing issues, there will be adjustments made. The creek in the backyard is finally above drought stage, so there is that!


5 posted on 12/16/2023 6:42:57 AM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good stuff!


6 posted on 12/16/2023 6:57:44 AM PST by Track9 (You are far too inquisitive not to be seduced…)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
It is 77 here in So Cal today and tomorrow, absolutely spectacular weather - but that is about to change and much-needed rain is supposedly headed our way (we've been lied to about this before!). Meanwhile, bougainvillea can be counted on to "bloom" during the worst and best weather - blasting summer heat, freezing rain, and everything in between. This one is called "Sea Foam" and is white, green and pink. I got it for $1.00 years ago off of the dead plant table at Lowe's to try to cover up an unsightly wall:

BC1505-FE-F3-E9-40-D9-8-B84-27-C75108-BFCD-1-105-c

And, preparing for Christmas:

65198-C15-D9-B3-4-AB9-8529-7-E2-D9-C4-B27-A6-1-105-c

Waiting anxiously for Santa:

AA1-BAAAC-5999-4-BC0-BD5-F-8-B267-DCB2926-1-201-a
screenshot windows 7

7 posted on 12/16/2023 7:04:40 AM PST by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Diana! Thank you! Excellent choice of a post with good timely early winter recommendations!
8 posted on 12/16/2023 7:42:01 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Don W

“The garden room isn’t doing quite as well as I had hoped, but I think that is related to light timing issues, there will be adjustments made.”

Set your grow lights to be ON for 16 hours and OFF for 8 hours. I’m usually awake for 16 hours and asleep for 8, so I turn mine on when I get up and turn them off when I go to bed. Or, you can use a timer of course.

OFF is as important as ON - seedlings need time to rest as well as time to grow. :)


9 posted on 12/16/2023 7:46:27 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Bon of Babble

Bon...Nice Bougainvillea! (Its all so green there!)


10 posted on 12/16/2023 7:47:08 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ( )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Good morning...Thanks for the thread...and thanks for that reminder about grow lights...I am going to get serious about seed starting this year with my little setup.


11 posted on 12/16/2023 8:08:31 AM PST by goodnesswins ( We pretend to vote and they pretend to count the votes.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Bought a few seeds and have more picked out to get.

Bonus check cleared so I’ll be getting that $400 controller to read wind speed, direction and read drop down sides position.

Need more seed trays. Poly for tunnel and linear actuators are the last big purchases.

Then it’s just a whole bunch of work come Spring.


12 posted on 12/16/2023 8:09:01 AM PST by Pollard (Stick a fork in the USA, it's done!)
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To: Bon of Babble

That bouganvilla is the best rescue I have ever seen. And your doggo looks so handsome, looks like he’s been to the groomer.


13 posted on 12/16/2023 9:21:58 AM PST by MomwithHope (Forever grateful to all our patriots, past, present and future.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; Pollard
To link back to the Weekly Garden Thread - December 9-15 2023
Click on the poinsettia!

Poof sorry image href gone!

Pollard's F/R profile page is the location of his Prepper links and Data Base and contains the Gardening Resource files.
Click on the Green Foliage to link to his homepage!


14 posted on 12/16/2023 9:30:25 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission (6B KS/MO border 11:30 AM 42F Cloudy and Damp)
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To: Pollard

“Need more seed trays...”

Mine are pretty much shot, too; time for some new stuff. Merry Christmas to ME! :)

Who asks for Seed Trays for Christmas? Um...ME, LOL! I also ask my family for Bungee Cords - they work great holding tomato cages to one another for added support. :)


15 posted on 12/16/2023 10:36:04 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

Thanks, Pete!


16 posted on 12/16/2023 10:37:58 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
December 16, 2023 winter Garden update.

Broccoli and lettuce are still growing s l o w l y under their insect covers. There are some califlower turnips and rudebaga along the back fence.

They are watered every 4 or so days and fertilized weekly using 1 tbs 0-0-17 soluble kelp, 2 tbspn 5-1-1 fish emulsion, and Miracle Grow 10-50-10 flower boost in 2 gallons of water. (High P to encourage the broccoli to flower!) I used a broccoli variety which is only 24" tall when grown so it should be able to remain in the low tunnel the entire time its growing. (My understanding that a high potassium content protects plants against freezing and supports plant stucture.)

Not very clear, but my finger is on the broccoli head is starting to flower...will I get enough mild weather for it to mature?? 40s and 50s next week

We will see. If I can get 3 weeks of mild temps above 25 F I might have some small heads of broccoli.

Companion planted Lettuce, I think Yugoslavian Red Butterhead from Seed Savers The pipe heating cable is snaking around next to them. (Rated 40 F....works well)


17 posted on 12/16/2023 12:47:16 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission (6B KS/MO border 2:39 AM 41F Cloudy and Damp)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; All

Trying not to be too sad about leaving my garden/raised beds (wooden ones) when we move. I can take the metal ones & the fencing. Probably will not have much of a garden this year, but I should be ‘up & running’ by the following year. With the neighbors we’ll have, I think there will be a great source for cow manure!

It just occurred to me with all the windows down the side of the garage/shop, I will now have a sunny place to start seeds! :-)


18 posted on 12/16/2023 1:18:57 PM PST by Qiviut (If the genocide was unintentional, they would have pulled the poison vaccines, long ago.)
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To: All
"Get your garden off to a good start by getting ready for the seed-starting season now."

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And have a few good recipes handy for when the picking starts.

Asian-style Early Lettuce Wraps
Tasty as the lettuce wraps found in restaurant chains,
and even healthier w/ just-picked early lettuce leaves.

Ing--- 1 tbl canola oil 1 lb lean grnd turkey (or pork) 1 jalapeno, seeded/minced 2 green onions, thinly sliced 2 minced gar/cloves 2 tbl minced fresh basil 2 tbl lime juice 2 tbl soy sauce 1-2 tbl chili garlic sauce 1 tbl sugar, 12 just-picked lettuce leaves

Filling---heat oil on med; Add turkey (or pork); cook 6-8 min (no longer pink), make crumbles. Add jalapeno, green onions, garlic; cook 2 min. Stir in basil, lime juice, soy sauce, chili garlic sauce, sugar; heat thru.

Place meat mixture in lettuce leaves; top w/ julienned cukes, carrots, bean sprouts.

19 posted on 12/16/2023 3:22:02 PM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: Liz

Looks so good! Anything to replace BREAD these days. I really like chicken or egg or tuna salad in a Bibb leaf lettuce cup, now. ;)


20 posted on 12/16/2023 5:13:26 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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