Posted on 01/18/2024 4:54:27 AM PST by daniel1212
But of-course, no mention of prayer.
I thought you go to heaven when you die? At least that’s what everyone believes. Apparently these folks died and didn’t go anywhere which is exactly what the Bible says. We sleep until that day when Jesus returns.
The doctrine of an immortal disembodied soul...another lie from Rome and most believe it.
Hypothermia does not equal “froze to death”
I hate freezing to death.
It ruins my day, too.
When you develop a process to freeze a Tomato and thaw it out looking fresh and firm - you will be able to freeze and thaw a person.
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
So we have the example of Moses and Elijah who aren't sleeping waiting on the second coming of Jesus.
And 2 Corinthians teaches that to be absent the body is to be present with Christ.
And no one actually “froze to death” nor did "Fox News host [ Kayleigh McEnany] praise Kamala Harris rhetoric on abortion" as meaning affirming it, but misleading headlines is what is sadly often the case in media and in a day where most Internet use of via smartphones.
I should have added "not actually" in brackets before froze to death.
none were technically dead.
>>>Matthew 17 Six days later, Jesus took Peter, James, and John the brother of James and went up on a high mountain. They were all alone there. 2 While these followers watched him, Jesus was changed. His face became bright like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 Then two men were there, talking with him. They were Moses and Elijah.
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
So we have the example of Moses and Elijah who aren’t sleeping waiting on the second coming of Jesus.>>>
Well, we know Elijah never died, he was taken up by a chariot while alive. And we know Moses did die. God would not allow him into the promised land. God took moses up to MT Nebo and buried him. So was that a disembodied soul Jesus saw later on the Mt? No. Because in Jude we read there was a some kind of argument between Satan and God over the “body” of Moses.
Right there in the book of Jude. The “body” of Moses. Jude 9. Obsviously, God took Moses to heaven including his “body”....Moses didn’t see the earthly promised land. He had to die because of his sin of striking the rock twice. But had something better for him......even though Moses begged God to allow him into the earthly promised land.....God said no and laid him to rest. Then later.....raised him, body and all and took him to the real promised land.
So see......when we think we have no hope......God has a plan if we trust him.
As for absent from body present with Lord.....context is key. Paul is talking about that new body ......and the issue it timing. It is better to be absent from this sinful fallen vile body.......and to be present with the Lord in our new glorified body and WHEN is that? WHEN?...not at death. At the 2nd coming.
Lazarus wasn’t in heaven........he was dead in his tomb. Jesus went to raise him......he didn’t pull him out of heaven. The Bible knows no such doctrine as a disembodied immortal soul. ON the contrary..it says the soul that sinneth shall die. But in Christ, as Luther said....it’s a sweet dreamless sleep until that day......when the dead in Christ shall come up......amen.
They were not dead....yet! They were very, very close to death.
And there is NO soul-sleep. Unless you think Jesus is a liar. Luke 23:43
Neither is there a Purgatory, but there was a place called Hades and Abrahams’ bosom, before Jesus lead the old testament believers to paradise (He did that during the time after the cross, and before he rose)
Um, if her body temp was 88 degrees, she wasn’t frozen.
The problem with your argument is that no one here actually froze to death, despite the misleading headline. "when the cells really freeze completely, they undergo a crystallization process and become glass-like crystals. In this process they are irreparably damaged. "When the cells thaw after this process, all that is left of them is a mass of pulp," explained Dr. Alvin Merendino. This is a main reason why it’s currently impossible for doctors to freeze people and bring them back to life a few years later. - https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/meet-the-woman-who-froze-like-a-lump-of-meat-in-the-freezer-and-survived-679417
Secondly, there are many testimonies of those who were "dead" including atheists, who had NDE's.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/can-science-explain-near-death-experiences
Thus your argument is countered by such.
What matters is what the Scripture best reveals. In brief.
Correct,as I affirmed in post 10 above, and as stated, I should have added "not actually" in brackets before froze to death.
Maybe I saw it on a TV show but the saying was, you’re not dead until you are warm and dead. Cold and dead, you still have a chance.
As far as I know if the freeze pops the cells, that’s that.
That is in the article. (Aside from the supernatural.)
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