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Trump in 2012? Maybe Not Such a Bad Thing
American Thinker ^ | April 3, 2011 | Jack Kerwick

Posted on 04/03/2011 12:53:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Donald Trump will announce in June whether he plans on being a contender for the presidency in the Republican primaries later this year. For several reasons, my excitement over the prospects of a Trump candidacy is mounting.

Let me say first, that in a perfect world, the very idea of a man like Trump running for the presidency, on either party's ticket, would be unthinkable. This isn't to suggest that Trump is a bad man, but only that he has no experience in the art of governing. It is a common misconception among many on the right that success in business is likely to translate into success in politics. Not only does this assumption ignore the fact that the frameworks of incentives and constraints within which politicians and free enterprisers respectively operate are by and large mutually antagonistic; it ignores as well the fact that success in business could just as easily portend political failure.

Any business is an enterprise. An enterprise is defined by the goals toward which it is oriented, the goals toward the realization of which each of its members is expected to contribute. Now, obviously, the enterprises that constitute a "system" of "free enterprise" are not compulsory organizations. However, a state is indeed such an organization. It is a mistake of the first order, then, to confuse government with a private employer and citizens with employees.

Free citizens must be free to determine enterprises of their own choosing -- not those that the government decides to impose upon them. And what this in turn implies is that a government belonging to citizens, not subjects, free men and women, not servants and/or slaves, simply cannot be patterned on a business or enterprise model, for it exists for no other reason than to facilitate peaceful and orderly co-existence between individuals engaged in all manner of self-chosen pursuits.

A wildly successful businessman like Trump is no less likely to lose sight of this than someone devoid of all business experience.

There is another reason why, in a perfect world, no conservative would treat Trump with any seriousness in connection with the presidency -- namely, Trump is no conservative. That "business" and "conservative" are considered virtually synonymous terms by right and left alike is a standing testimony to how effectively the left trades in fictions. A person's involvement in business is no signifier of his political orientation, it is true, but it is also true that the tycoons of the largest businesses -- what the left derisively refers to as "Big Business" -- usually donate to Democrats. That he has contributed to the coffers of no small number of Democratic politicians proves that Trump is no exception to this rule.

Still, our world, the real world, is far from perfect. Given current political realities, Trump may be just what Republican voters need at the moment.

As Trump himself has noted, if not for pervasive voter disenchantment with President George W. Bush, we wouldn't now have President Barack. H. Obama. In 2008, voters in both major parties and everywhere in between had grown weary of Bush's "compassionate conservatism." Of course, being but a euphemism for ever larger government -- that is, exactly that thing against which Republican campaign rhetoric rails -- it was neither compassionate nor conservative, as conservatives understand these concepts. The Republican Party claimed to have learned this lesson, but beyond vague references to "spending," no GOP 2012 hopeful has so much as explicitly repudiated Bush "conservatism," much less specified the respects in which their governance will differ from that of the last Republican president.

Trump, in glaring contrast, has already indicated the willingness, the eagerness even, to make it abundantly clear to both the party and the nation how and why he will be no Bush Republican. This the party faithful and -- more importantly, to hear the Republicans tell it -- the independents and "moderates" regarding whom the politicians from both parties spare no occasion to woo both need and deserve to know.

But this is not all.

It would be a gross understatement to describe The View as Obama-friendly. Yet just this past week while making an appearance on it, Trump did what no other Republican, much less a Republican with presidential aspirations, would so much as think of doing: he unabashedly expressed his skepticism concerning Obama's birth certificate. With a single utterance, the Donald in effect legitimized a group of people whose concern for this very same issue earned them the scornful name of "birthers" and rendered them a collective object of derision by left-wing pundits as well as such "respectable" right-leaning personalities as Bill O'Reilly and Michael Medved. And what Trump did for this issue, he will be able to do with any number of issues that McCain and the GOP establishment sought (and continue to seek) to avoid like the plague.

This is the point: there is simply no way that anyone can succeed in depicting someone as internationally famous as Donald Trump as a fringe figure. This, obviously, isn't to suggest that Trump would be anything at all like an invulnerable candidate; no one is without weaknesses. But Trump's enemies (among the establishments of both parties) will simply not be able to dismiss him as an "extremist."

Finally, there are enough disenchanted Democrats, along with similarly disenchanted independents and Republicans, who would be more than willing to give Trump their ears. When this Washington outsider -- indeed, outsider to politics! -- promises that upon his election to the presidency, "business as usual" in Washington will become a thing of the past, they will have good reason to believe it.

Trump in 2012? This may not be such a bad thing.


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; rino; rudy2; sleeperfreepers; soclib; trump
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1 posted on 04/03/2011 12:53:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After O’Muzzie intentionally destroying America?

Sure.

What the hell.

He couldn’t be any worse if he tried.

Plus, we [and he] are positive who his parents are.


2 posted on 04/03/2011 1:06:50 AM PDT by Salamander (I think I need some rest......but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree. I’ve had it with my party (Republican). As a whole they are gutless and flacid. Trump intrigues me, to say the least. He has courage and yes, he’s a smart guy who knows how to get a job done. And, he has smart people behind him to back him up. I’m going to give him a chance. Right now Trump is at the top of my vote list for President in 2012.


3 posted on 04/03/2011 1:11:06 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Removing liberalism from the Republican party is far more important than beating Obabbler.

If a soclib like trump represents the republican party across the board conservatives have no voice.

No more liberals with an “R” by their name.
And he can take Romney with him.


4 posted on 04/03/2011 1:25:16 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s something to be said about have a backbone and using it when one has alot to lose.

Trump knows that - and he has put the integrity of the office of the President and our Constitution before his own good.

What more can be said - his actions speak all that needs to be said, IMO.


5 posted on 04/03/2011 1:31:11 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump is another Arnold.

He’ll say anything he needs to to get elected.

His positions in office will be as solid as shifting sand.

His outspoken support for HillaryCare and Hillary as POTUS as late as 2007 should give any THINKING conservative pause.


6 posted on 04/03/2011 1:39:26 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Salamander

Unless he wants to name Hillary as his VP. Then we are back to the same old you know what.


7 posted on 04/03/2011 1:53:01 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gee. It seems Trump going against this admin in the biggest con on USA (and not to be spoken about) seems like not a good thing and a ‘liberal’ is doing it according to some here. LOL!


8 posted on 04/03/2011 2:11:29 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump isn’t running, imo. He’s just enacting revenge for the Clinton’s and it may not be working out. Trump’s been on how many show’s bringing up the BC issue. Has it gained traction? Not really.


9 posted on 04/03/2011 2:14:38 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords

Hahahaha! It hasn’t gained traction? Are you serious?


10 posted on 04/03/2011 2:20:34 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's a Perotist play, as in Perot v. Bush I. Bobo never met Trump's list of demands for every incoming President (I jest, but only slightly); and so he's innoculating the birth/citizenship question (one hopes he gets into the meat of the latter), and will likely go on to do the same with other Boboism's: the socialism, the czars, etc.

The problem with Trump the Candidate is the string of bankruptcies, bailouts, "too big to fail", the failed marriages (yea, I'll go there) offsetting whatever bona findes his newfound conservative Presbyterianism offers, and the golf.

What good will it be to make fun of Bobo wasting literally weeks on the golf course when Trump is a scratch golfer who owns 10 golf resorts.

11 posted on 04/03/2011 2:23:58 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Are you better off than you were four years ago...")
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The other problem with Trump -- life is a two-headed coin for this guy. Trump would have no qualms about telling Bobo, "See, I stuck them with the birth question, you owe me."
12 posted on 04/03/2011 2:29:28 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Are you better off than you were four years ago...")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, I’m very serious. Where do you see anything happening that would result in a serious inquiry? The 9th Circuit? It’s being deflected due to the LSM’s inaction. The Right is talking about it but the left is ignoring it. Power of the press is being shown very clearly.


13 posted on 04/03/2011 2:30:17 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords

When you’re refuting something, you aren’t ignoring it:

Gail Collins: Donald Trump Gets Weirder
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2698501/posts

Trump you’re a fool! Tycoon accused of discrediting GOP by suggesting Obama may be a Muslim
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2698348/posts

The Trump Effect on Birtherism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2698319/posts

Mika Brzezinski On Trump’s ‘Mean’ Birther Crusade: ‘This Promotes Hate’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2697560/posts

Trump’s Birther Buffoonery
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2697613/posts

KARL ROVE: Donald Trump Is Discrediting The Entire Republican Party
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2697950/posts

Birther Issue Goes Mainstream
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2697866/posts


14 posted on 04/03/2011 2:38:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, FRiend. You’re making my point. It MAY get some traction in the future, depending on whether the Clintons think it’ll pay off, but Trump is still a voice in the wilderness.


15 posted on 04/03/2011 2:46:40 AM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Trump runs (Independent) he will split the ticket and give us 4 more years of Obama
16 posted on 04/03/2011 2:48:08 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I, like many Independent Conservatives, are not at all thrilled with the "field" so far, with almost all, being either leaning RINO or full-fledged members of that wuss, ruling class and it is refreshing to see someone who speaks his mind and is not afraid of what others--including the Lame Stream Media, who I think are a little reticent of taking him on, yet--think of his brash, no BS comments.

In fact, I was shocked to see (for the 1st time) even Whore-Aldo Rivera meekly chalenge him when interviewing him last week. Usually Rivers hammers all those who he disagrees with.

His publicly suggesting that we should challenge and take OPEC on had me (and I'm sure many others) cheering and saying, "Right on," something which I have always wanted some public figure to express those sentiments, yet not ONE Pol (Dem or Republi-tard) has had the stones to do so.

Right about now, if no other Conservative throws their hat in the ring, I'd consider supporting The Donald!

17 posted on 04/03/2011 2:53:22 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

see !


18 posted on 04/03/2011 2:56:21 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I agree with you and stated as such in another post in another thread.

I reject that he is fronting for the Clintons. Hillary is all but toast as far as a future in politics. She spent her wad as SOS.

I believe Trump sees what is happening to the businesses in America, and right now- I believe he is sincere in what he’s saying.

As far as him being a RINO - well, so was John McCain, but, I find I can tolerate Donald more than I could McCain, for some unknown reason. Most voted for Juan because of Sarah anyway.

And shame on those who say they wouldn’t vote for him, but, would rather have another 4 years of zero. My God people - what are you saying? Our country will be totally gone if we have another 4 years of this chump. Wake up!

I’m not accusing you of this, just venting my frustration with some of the stupid comments on this forum.


19 posted on 04/03/2011 3:20:44 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He LOSES money running a casino...


20 posted on 04/03/2011 3:24:33 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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