Did the Russians Hack the DNC to Help Bernie Sanders and the Socialist Left?

Wow! I bow to your superior argument. Such wisdom is beyond mortal ken.

Good luck with your crusade against the deep state. I’m sure your vehemence will prove effective against all their wiles and gain you acclaim and adherents throughout the intellectual realm.

What a lot of folks on here are missing is that the Russians, the Chinese, Seth Rich, the CIA, none of it is either/or. The FBI was warning the DNC about Russian hacking way back in September of 2015. Daniel should have mentioned the dates. This was a small story, almost an afterthought, but if the FBI was saying this in 2015, way before they thought they'd need a "cover story" of any sort... it's probably true. There was Russian hacking.

Does this mean Seth Rich had nothing to do with it? No, of course it doesn't. Just because Russians were snooping and quietly spying for months and months doesn't mean that a totally unrelated activity, a disillusioned young man downloading a bunch of emails one night, DIDN'T happen. I doubt the Russian hackers and Seth Rich had anything to do with one another, or were aware of one another at all.

When Putin says he didn't give the emails to Wikileaks, he's probably telling the truth, because Assange said the same thing. Not the Russians. Doesn't mean the Russians hadn't been snooping around the whole time, though. But any activity, Russians, Seth Rich, whoever, any activity that took place before the DNC nominations and that hurt Hillary has to be looked at as possibly aimed at helping Bernie, not Trump.

And Daniel has a VERY good point in that: helping Trump in 2015, early 2016, would more likely entail going after HIS competition (Rubio, Cruz, Bush), not going after Hillary.

Stating a fact of public acceptance doesn’t necessarily indicate agreement. Why enter the arena if you aren’t prepared against the first attack?

Surely, you realize that most people don’t follow FReeq threads? Whether true or not, much of the topics are unknown to many, and will be virulently attacked. The Chans and Reddit forums follow a model that is foreign to most here. Though they often lead FR in content and analysis, the non-linear approach, filled with meandering twistings and dead ends, is almost incomprehensible to many traditional readers. Looked at literally, their patterns are indistinguishable from conspiracy sites.

Following information and disinformation can result in no other result. That’s why so much disinformation is put out. Obfuscation and vilification are intentional. The closer one gets to truth; the more obfuscation. Associating real fact with conspiracy theories is standard operating procedure. Trying to outshout the chorus only makes it worse.

Not all who wander are lost; not all who wear black are enemies.

> “There was Russian hacking.”

There is ALWAYS Russian hacking. It’s a given. The question is why wasn’t there more robust cybersecurity on the part of democrats and their servers and cyber networks?

Because their servers were either illegal or selling secrets or both. And they were just plain stupid like John Podesta leaving a default email password as ‘password’ or letting Imran Awan carry passwords for many members of Congress.

The Russians do not hack from GRU offices in Moscow. They do it right on American soil from their ‘retreats’ at Centreville, MD and Oyster Bay, Long Island.

They find, use, pay insiders for speed and to escape detection. Imran Awan did the inside job for them. Dems are scared to death that Imran will be pulled into other indictments and end up singing. I tend to think there must be hit contracts out on this Awan and maybe others.

I probably won’t go so far as to say they hacked the server (though only because they technically don’t even NEED to hack the servers remotely, just steal the information via one of their plants). However, I have little doubt that they would at the very least be involved in these actions, or that they did it to back Bernie Sanders (I doubt they did it for Trump, especially when someone like Putin wouldn’t want America restored).

There is ALWAYS Russian hacking. It’s a given. The question is why wasn’t there more robust cybersecurity on the part of democrats and their servers and cyber networks?

Oh, I agree completely. I'm just saying, "let's not try to say there's no such thing as Russian hacking" because yes, there was, and is.

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