Sobran: My Obsession with Jews [for all who mistakenly think he is a valuable contributor]

Federal Observer ^ | maybe 10/30/03 | Joe Sobran

[steve-b]

Yeah, most of the anti-Semites don't brush their teeth

More often than not, the plural noun is incorrect.

[Poohbah]

More often than not, the plural noun is incorrect.

True enough!

[AmishDude]

I notice that "paleo" and "paleocon" didn't occur in Sobran's article, but the poster's motive, as revealed by his "'true conservatives' of the paleocon right" salvo, is to provide some rationale for "turning our backs on paleoconservatism," however the heck that's defined.

OK. But it's not like that's new. Heck, I think you've done it once or twice in your time, ST.

[Sabertooth]

Moderator's note: We have received a few complaints on this posting, saying that this is a forgery, that it is not written by Joe Sobran. I was able to find this on his site.

I ran a search on a chunk of the text, and found these results...

The Truth Seeker - My Obsession with Jews
My Obsession with Jews. Joe Sobran. Now and then I get letters and e-mail messages
asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. The question amuses me. ...
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=507 - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

The Truth Seeker - My Obsession with Jews
My Obsession with Jews. Joe Sobran. Now and then I get letters and e-mail messages
asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. The question amuses me. ...
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=507 - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

Universal Issues
The Obsession. by Joe Sobran. Now and then I get letters and e-mail messages
asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. The question amuses me. ...
www.mecfilms.com/universe/articles/obsessed.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

EditorMail197
... Original Message----- My Obsession with Jews - by Joe Sobran Now and then I get letters
and e-mail messages asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. ...
www.geocities.com/vmken/EditorMail197.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages

Federal Observer Articles - Federal Observer
... Sobran: My Obsession with Jews. By Joe Sobran. Now and then I get letters
and e-mail messages asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. ...
www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=5200 - 28k - Cached - Similar pages

Federal Observer Document
... Sobran: My Obsession with Jews. By Joe Sobran. Now and then I get letters
and e-mail messages asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. ...
www.federalobserver.com/print.php?aid=5200 - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

[CTRL] The Secret "Third Party" Running America
... +++++ My Obsession with Jews - by Joe Sobran Now and then I get letters
and e-mail messages asking why I am so "obsessed" with Jews and Israel. ...
www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ msg103023.html - 21k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

I'm not familiar with those sites, so I can't comment on their legitimacy one way or the other.

[Migraine]

"Under the brutal rule of Ariel Sharon"

What brutal rule? I think he has been more restrained than every instinct in his corpulent body would ever have allowed. If brutal, the PLO, Hamas, et al would exist only in history books.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Ow. Really?

[beckett]

If it's a forgery, it's a remarkably good one. The forger is a professional writer, for certain, who has the skills to emulate Sobran's style very competently.

I think it's much more likely it is Sobran's work. The auspices and provenance may be uncertain at this point, but this is not the kind of column that one might reasonably imagine to be a counterfeit.

[Dialup Llama]

>I think it's much more likely it is Sobran's work. The auspices and provenance may be uncertain at this point...

see post #45. Its on the Sobran website, in the archives. For some reason, it doesn't come up on searches.

[general_re]

The first casualty of addiction, like that of war, is the truth. At first the addict merely denies the truth to himself. But as the addiction, like a malignant tumor, slowly and progressively expands and invades more and more of the healthy tissue of his life and mind and world, the addict begins to deny the truth to others as well as to himself. He becomes a practiced and profligate liar in all matters related to the defense and preservation of his addiction, even though prior to the onset of his addictive illness, and often still in areas as yet untouched by the addiction, he may be scrupulously honest.

First the addict lies to himself about his addiction, then he begins to lie to others. Lying, evasion, deception, manipulation, spinning and other techniques for avoiding or distorting the truth are necessary parts of the addictive process. They precede the main body of the addiction like military sappers and shock troops, mapping and clearing the way for its advance and protecting it from hostile counterattacks.

Because addiction by definition is an irrational, unbalanced and unhealthy behavior pattern resulting from an abnormal obsession, it simply cannot continue to exist under normal circumstances without the progressive attack upon and distortion of reality resulting from the operation of its propaganda and psychological warfare brigades. The fundamentally insane and unsupportable thinking and behavior of the addict must be justified and rationalized so that the addiction can continue and progress.

One of the chief ways the addiction protects and strengthens itself is by a psychology of personal exceptionalism which permits the addict to maintain a simultaneous double-entry bookkeeping of addictive and non-addictive realities and to reconcile the two when required by reference to the unique, special considerations that àat least in his own mind- happen to apply to his particular case.

The form of the logic for this personal exceptionalism is:

• Under ordinary circumstances and for most people X is undesirable/irrational;
• My circumstances are not ordinary and I am different from most people;
• Therefore X is not undesirable/irrational in my case - or not as undesirable/irrational as it would be in other cases.

Armed with this powerful tool of personal exceptionalism that is a virtual "Open Sesame" for every difficult ethical conundrum he is apt to face, the addict is free to take whatever measures are required for the preservation and progress of his addiction, while simultaneously maintaining his allegiance to the principles that would certainly apply if only his case were not a special one.

In treatment and rehabilitation centers this personal exceptionalism is commonly called "terminal uniqueness." The individual in the grip of this delusion is able to convince himself though not always others that his circumstances are such that ordinary rules and norms of behavior, rules and norms that he himself concurs with when it comes to other people, do not fairly or fully fit himself at the present time and hence must be bent or stretched just sufficiently to make room for his special needs. In most cases this plea for accommodation is acknowledged to be a temporary one and accompanied by a pledge or plan to return to the conventional "rules of engagement" as soon as circumstances permit. This is the basic mindset of "I'll quit tomorrow" and "If you had the problems I do you'd drink and drug, too!"

[saradippity]

The Jewish Party,only a small fraction of the U.S.population,donates more than half the money received by the presidential candidates of the two major parties,

Now if that is true,that is really something to worry about.I haven't read the thread,so it has probably been answered;however,if it hasn't,does anyone have information about the veracity of that statement?

[anotherview]

Maybe it's because I'm Jewish and the child of two Holocaust survivors, but I can't give Sobran a pass on this or anything else. Actually, first the Jews, then the blacks, then hispanics, then... Anti-Semetism or racism can't be tolerated in any form. They may only come for me today, but you never know when you will be singled out next.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Why would you worry about that?

[anotherview]

Actually, each paleocon writer and/or commentator I read starts out with anti-Israeli views and branches out to pure anti-Semetism eventually. There is unabashed anti-Semetism (read hatred of Jews, not just Israel) in the Sobran article, and I have heard/read similar from Buchanan.

[anotherview]

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture.

I don't know why this statement is racist. Replace Jews with blacks. Would you call that an anti-black statement? No.

Let's do just what you suggest:

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow blacks whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture.

I don't have to be black to see the above as utterly racist. I don't see how you can see Sobran as anything other than anti-Semetic. I agree with another poster: if you can't see it you have less sense than a crabapple.

[anotherview]

Your pro-Israel views are unfortunately not shared by other traditional Catholics like Sobran and Buchanan

I would not tar and feather all Catholics with the views of Sobran and Buchanan. I am certainly not going to accuse an entire religious group in America of anti-Israel or anti-Semitic views based on the statements of two political pundits.

[anotherview]

I consider anti-Semites who masquerade as conservatives to be plaque carriers.

Yeah, most of the anti-Semites don't brush their teeth

I thought the same thing when I saw that comment. I agree with his/her sentiment but man that came out wrong. Mind your g's and q's :)

[harrowup]

"Mr. Sobran is one of the clearest thinking conservative pundits writing today."
He's a Jew-hater. Conservatives don't need clowns like he and Charley Reese.

Charlie Reese hates Jews? Could you possibly give me a link. As for Sobran, he does have issues.

[anotherview]

The truth is that blacks, such as J. Jackson or Al Sharpton, and that whole kind of thinking they represent are referred to as welfare pimps. Is this indicative of racism?

Ask any African-American you care to, even a conservative one, and I bet the answer you get back is "yes"

[Delphinium]

I just got it.

There I go again, showing how often I skipped school. Sorry, I missed some real important stuff.

[rmlew]

Go to his site and search for the word "Talmud".
He regurgitatesw Medieval lies about Jewish texts.
He sees a conspiracy of Jewish power, hates only one nationalism (Zionism), and spreads lies about Judaism.
He hates Jews. There is no denying it.