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S.E. Asian Anglicans break ties with U.S.
AP | 12/05/03 | ROHAN SULLIVAN

Posted on 12/05/2003 5:20:05 AM PST by kattracks

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — The Anglican Church in Southeast Asia said Friday that it has severed ties with its U.S. counterpart for elevating an openly gay man to the rank of bishop — another sign of growing disapproval for the move around the world.

Archbishop Yong Ping Chung, the Anglican Primate for Southeast Asia, said leaders representing about 170,000 Anglicans in eight Asian countries voted unanimously on Nov. 20 to cut ties with the U.S. Episcopal Church, a member of the 77 million-member global Anglican Communion.

The Southeast Asian leaders voted at a special meeting of the region's synod, also known as a province, after the Nov. 2 consecration of V. Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire, a decision that has divided the church in the United States and abroad.

Robinson is the first openly gay man to hold the position of bishop in any major Christian denomination.

"The province no longer treats those in the Episcopalian Church in the United States of America who carried out and supported the act of consecration as brothers and sisters in Christ until and unless they repent of their action and return to embrace Biblical truths," Yong said.

The province regarded Robinson's consecration as "a flagrant disregard of the fundamental teachings of the Bible and the long established doctrines of the church" that it could not support, the statement said.

The Southeast Asian province of the church represents around 170,000 Anglicans in Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Brunei, Laos and Nepal.

Robinson's consecration as a bishop provoked widespread condemnation throughout among Anglicans and other churches around the world.

Last month, the Anglican Church of Uganda said it had severed all ties with the Episcopal Church while the Caribbean Anglican Communion said it would maintain a formal relationship while "keeping the matter under critical review" pending the findings of a commission expected in a year.

The Russian Orthodox Church announced last month that it was suspending ties with the Episcopal Church over the issue and the Vatican on Tuesday put on hold a meeting in Seattle to work on a common statement of faith with the Episcopalians.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: anglicans; brunei; cambodia; episcopal; fallout; homosexualbishop; indonesia; laos; malaysia; nepal; pariah; russianorthodox; schism; singapore; southeastasia; thailand; vatican; vietnam

1 posted on 12/05/2003 5:20:06 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
My [Singapore] home-from-home Anglican Congregation Bump!
3 posted on 12/05/2003 5:32:18 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kattracks
It can't be..... this report was wrong!!!!!

All the pundits said that the other churches wouldn't split.... how can this be?

The gay and liberal agenda is to destroy anything in this country that is good or makes profits. If it's a business... destroy it. If it's an organization.... (Boy Scouts, Armed Forces, clergy, Professional sports, broadcast primetime television programing, popular movies,etc..) find rare examples of participants, push the tolerance issues, infiltrate decision making and destroy it by corrupting it.

If there is anyway for representative democracy, capitalism and Christianity to be harmed...... look for a liberal's hand in trying to "improve" it by applying totalitarianism, socialist/communist economic theories, and atheism.

5 posted on 12/05/2003 5:38:02 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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To: kattracks
Good. Thank you Asian Anglicans for standing up for what's right.
6 posted on 12/05/2003 6:29:10 AM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: kattracks
Good for them....I'm glad someone is standing up to those godless communist pigs!!! Wait a minute.... We're the ones acting like pigs!
7 posted on 12/05/2003 6:44:56 AM PST by .cnI redruM ( "The American people would rather reach for the stars than reach for excuses why we shouldn't." -)
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To: kattracks
More discussion and the English version of the original docs from S.E. Asia can be found at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1032358/posts
8 posted on 12/05/2003 8:55:23 AM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: ahadams2; Eala; Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; hellinahandcart; Darlin'; ...
the AP finally realizes that S.E. Asia broke communion with ecusa Ping.
9 posted on 12/05/2003 8:58:24 AM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: ahadams2
Leander Harding: Homosexuality And The American Religion


Harold Bloom, an iconoclastic literary critic at Yale, wrote a book published in 1992, with the title The American Religion. Using an argument developed by Msgr. Ronald Knox in his magisterial work on Enthusiasm and by the Presbyterian theologian Phillip Lee in his book Against The Protestant Gnostics. Bloom makes a convincing case that the real American Religion that is the unofficial but actual spiritual mythos which gives shape to the American worldview and energy to the American religious quest is some form of Gnosticism. The Gnostics, ancient and contemporary, teach that the true and deepest self is a spark of divinity which has become lost and imprisoned in a corrupt world. The drama of salvation is the drama of rediscovering this secret self and reuniting this spark with the divine one. This is accomplished by access to a secret knowledge or “gnosis” which is unavailable to the uninitiated. Gnostic versions of Christianity have been a problem for the church from the earliest times. The struggle with Gnosticism caused St. Irenaeus (130-200 A.D.) to write his chief work “Adversus omnes Haereses.” Gnosticism is hard to kill and has many contemporary fans including the scholars of the Jesus Seminar who champion the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas.

Bloom thinks that it matters little what is on the label, the flavor of the product is more often than not Gnostic.

"Mormons and Southern Baptists call themselves Christians, but like most Americans they are closer to ancient Gnostics than to early Christians. I have centered on Mormons and the Southern Baptists than on other major denominations . . . butt most American Methodists, Roman Catholics and even Jews and Muslims are also more Gnostic than normative in their deepest and unwariest beliefs. The American Religion is pervasive and overwhelming, however it is masked, and even our secularists, indeed even our professed atheists are more Gnostic than humanist in their ultimate presuppositions. We are a religiously mad culture, furiously searching for the spirit, but each of us is subject and object of the one quest, which must be for the original self, a spark or breath in us that we are convinced goes back to before the creation.” (The American Religion, p. 22)

The quintessential American Religion is the quest for the true and original self which is the “pearl of great price,” the ultimate value. Finding the true self requires absolute and complete freedom of choice unconstrained by any sources of authority outside the self. Limits upon personal freedom and choice are an affront to all that is sacred to the American Religion. When the self determining self finds “the real me” salvation is achieved and the ultimate self has achieved contact with the ultimate reality. Finding your true self is to the contemporary Gnostic the same thing as finding God. For the Gnostic the purpose of the religious community is to facilitate the quest and validate the results. The contemporary Gnostic church, which can appear in both conservative and liberal forms, is the community of those who know that they have found God because they have found their own uncreated depths. Both devotees of the New Age and many in some “conservative” Christian circles see salvation as purely a matter of personal experience, which can only be validated by those who have had similar “deeply personal” experiences.

Notice how perfectly the contemporary presentation of homosexuality fits the American Religion. A person who discovers that he or she is Gay has recovered his or her true self and “come out” and come through what the Gnostics called the “aeons” in this case levels of personal, familial and social oppression that hinder and constrain the true self. It is a heroic and perilous journey of self-discovery which would be familiar to a first century Gnostic like Valentinus. That the means of liberation is sexual practice is even a familiar theme. Some ancient Gnostics were ascetic but others counseled sexual license. Both stratagems can come from the same contempt of nature and are different ways of asserting the radical independence of the self.

Here is the point. Gene Robinson was elected Bishop of the Episcopal Church in New Hampshire not in spite of being Gay, not as an act of toleration and compassion toward Gay people, but because he is Gay and as such is an icon of the successful completion of the quest to find the true and original self. He has been chosen for high religious office because he represents high religious attainment. He is being recognized and receiving regard for being an accomplished practitioner of the American Religion. According to this Gnostic logic divorcing his wife and leaving his family to embrace the Gay lifestyle is not some unfortunate concession to irresistible sexual urges but an example of the pain and sacrifice that the seeker of the true self must be willing to endure. That natural, organic and conventional restraints must be set aside is time worn Gnostic nostrum. From the point of view of this contemporary Gnosticism, if the church does not validate such a noble quest for enlightenment then it invalidates itself and shows that is no help in the only spiritual struggle that counts, the struggle to be the “real me.” Because Gene Robinson has “found himself” he has according to the Gnostic logic of the American religion found God and is naturally thought to be a truly “spiritual person” and a fit person to inspire and lead others on their spiritual journey which is to end in a discovery of the true self which is just so the discovery of the only real god, the Gnostic god.

Seeing the elevation of Gene Robinson through the lens of the mythos of the American Religion explains some of the fanaticism of his defenders, explains why so many bishops of the Episcopal Church including the Presiding Bishop would be willing to take such institutional risks. Here is a paradigm of salvation that echoes deeply in the American soul and promises to restore a sense of purpose to a mainline church which has lost confidence in the story of salvation told by the orthodox tradition of the church. Inclusion becomes the fundamental value for the church because it allows the church to have a real purpose of validating that people have indeed found their true identity, and thus found God. Gay people become icons of hope. These people have “found themselves” and hence by force of Gnostic logic “found God.” To celebrate Gays in the life of the church, not accept but affirm and celebrate, is to celebrate the church as a truly spiritual community with real spiritual power which can facilitate and validate the salvation of souls. The church leaders who are risking everything for Gene Robinson are in their own way and according to an heretical but powerful vision trying desperately to find a spiritual vocation for the church that has some liveliness and connects deeply with the deepest yearning of the American soul. The Presiding Bishop and his company of supporters think they are regaining the lost keys of heaven. That these newly discovered keys are not the real thing but Gnostics imitators of the keys of St. Peter will be lost on those who are drunk on the promises of the American Religion of the true, free and uncreated self.


This analysis is a caution to those of us who think of ourselves as conservative. The fault line in the current church controversy is not between orthodox “conservatives” and revisionist “liberals,” but between versions of the American Religion preferred by the cultural right and the cultural left and a tradition of genuine orthodoxy that is everywhere subverted to the service of the idol of the radically independent and uncreated self. There is much loose talk about the Holy Spirit and claims of “a personal word of the Lord” which are so obviously heterodox on the lips of the new bishop of New Hampshire parallel routine claims made in “conservative” circles.

In many cases we read the Bible in a highly individualized and devotional way with a complete indifference to its original context in the life of the people of Israel and to its ecclesial, social-political and doctrinal implications. A “personal relationship” with the Lord is vital to true religion but this relationship can be conceived in ways that discount the relevance of sustained study of scripture and doctrine or make them practically irrelevant. The famous 20th century Revivalist, Billy Sunday, was fond of saying that he didn’t know anymore about theology than “a jack rabbit knows about ping pong.” It is unlikely that similar enthusiasms in our own time will be able to resist the lure of the idol of the American Religion. At the moment we are astounded by enormities provided by the subversion of the Faith by the Gnostic proclivities of the cultural left. There is no particular reason why the Gnosticism of the cultural right should not produce different but equally astonishing enormities.

The antidote is the same it has ever been; complete immersion in the scripture with close attention to the story of Israel as Israel, to our Jewish roots and close attention to the teachings of the Church Fathers, the Reformers and other exemplars of the Great Tradition.

--The Rev. Dr. Leander S. Harding is rector, Saint John's, Stamford, Connecticut


10 posted on 12/05/2003 9:55:02 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: kattracks
Many more details available here.
11 posted on 12/05/2003 10:45:14 AM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Dick Vomer
Too true.
12 posted on 12/05/2003 8:25:21 PM PST by MegaSilver
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