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How legalizing gay marriage undermines society's morals
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | December 09, 2003 | Alan Charles Raul

Posted on 12/08/2003 7:12:17 PM PST by Kay Soze

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To: breakem
Don't you propagandists ever get a new schtick?

Oh, okay, I'll clean your clock again. I was hoping you would be so kind as to point out the propaganda from the following:

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Health Hazards
 
2003
Syphilis increase sparks AIDS concerns
Yes
    World AIDS Day: Reflections on the Pandemic
Yes
    U.S. sees HIV cases rise among gay, bisexual men
Yes
    Unsafe healthcare "drives spread of African HIV"
    The American Journal of Public Health Highlights Risks of Homosexual Practices
Yes
    Syphilis Cases On The Rise In Bay Area
Yes
    Studies show gay men are more likely to take recreational drugs
Yes
    Sodomy: A Public Health Risk
Yes
    Rise of Internet Fuels Fears of AIDS Resurgence
    Researcher Warns of Homosexuals Seeking HIV Infection
Yes
    New Skin Infection Concerns Doctors, Activists
Yes
    Many HIV positive don't tell
    Kinsolving: "Will Bishop-elect Robinson and his male lover be tested for HIV-AIDS?"
Yes
    Homosexual AIDS Claims Cause Controversy
Yes
    Hazardous to Your Health - The Risks of Homosexuality
Yes
    Gay Men Meeting Online Contracting Syphilis Faster
    Cure for AIDS: Abstinence
Yes
    Acting Up
Yes
    Bug Chasers: The men who long to be HIV+
Yes
    Anal Sex Largest Cause of HIV in Africa
Yes
    African Women and AIDS
    African sexual health programmes "misguided"
 
2002
Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis Of Its Medical Consequences?
    The Health Risks of Gay Sex
    Syphilis outbreak among L.A. gay men in 2002 leads to...
    Syphilis in gay men raises AIDS concern
    Just the Facts: AIDS & the Homosexual Lifestyle!
    Health and Homosexuality
Yes
    Desensitizing America, Part II: The AIDS Walk
    Desensitizing America, Part I: AIDS Sensitivity Training
    California to track HIV cases by code AIDS-delaying drugs mask disease's spread
 
2001
With Fears Fading, More Gays Spurn Old Preventive Message
    U.S. HIV and AIDS cases reported through December 2000
    The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality
    The Many Myths of AIDS
    SF doctors report "startling" increase of syphilis
    Is This Gay Behavior Sick?
    Gay health statistics
    Compassionate Society Should Discourage Deadly Homosexual Behavior
 
2000
Sharing Disease is Not a Civil Right
    Scientific Evidence on Condom Effectiveness for Sexually Transmitted Disease (STD) Prevention
    Homosexuals Demand Legalization of Sex With Strangers...
Yes
    Homosexual behavior increases risk of AIDS
    Anal Cancer and YOU
 
1998
The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: A Nine-Year Retrospective of Fear and (Mostly) Loathing
Yes
 
1997
Modelling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men
    Anything But Gay: The Deadly and Dangerous Homosexual Lifestyle
Yes
 
1992
Sexual Politics And Scientific Logic: The Issue Of Homosexuality

81 posted on 12/08/2003 10:27:49 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: jwalsh07
In fact it is my firm belief that you would see many women entering into marriages of convenience and bringing their children with them.

Good point (and I hate to admit it, but I hadn't thought of that one), except that if both woman are relatively poor, I am not sure what the benefits would be really financially (other than social security survivor benefits, but you said woman with children), and if one woman is much richer than the other, than the rich woman is bearing the finanacial risk.

82 posted on 12/08/2003 10:30:22 PM PST by Torie
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To: breakem
You can deny the health hazards all you want. Here's one where you'll have a rather difficult time doing just that: Homosexuals admit AIDS culpability
83 posted on 12/08/2003 10:30:39 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
"I've got a statistic. Number of homosexual unions which has produced a child: zero."

So then, should heterosexual couples who are physically unable to produce children naturally not be allowed to marry?

The law would make perfect sense because no man would be allowed to marry any woman with whom he could not produce children with...applying to both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

84 posted on 12/08/2003 10:32:30 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
No crap. No ridiculing. Just a simple question. Are you a homosexual?
85 posted on 12/08/2003 10:34:49 PM PST by Windsong
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To: WackyKat
Homosexual couples do not produce children through their sexual union. Noone has shown me a reason the state should take an encouraging stance towards these artificial means and non-nuclear family units.

And there are a lot of reasons for marriage other than procreation.

There could be any number of reasons why people may get together and formalize their arrangements, but procreation is certainly the main reason that the state regulates marriage.

One man and one woman marrying and producing children and forming a family unit is the pattern that the state has a compelling interest in preserving. The state does it by supporting the traditional institution of marriage. I ask again: what is the compelling reason to change this state of affairs?

86 posted on 12/08/2003 10:35:41 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: scripter
You haven't cleaned anything that I know of yet. Hear's why I dislike you and your ilk so much. You post the most extreme pronouncements from homosexuals and then use it to excoriate all homosexuals. People have rights as individuals and are not to be denied then because others who have a similar characteristic are criminals or extremists.

Since more blacks commit murder per capita than other races, does this mean the black guy down the street from me is dangerous.

You post a lot of stuff about pedophilia, but I've never seen you post that the cops and social workers don't know the real rates because so much is believed to be within families and goes unreported.

Even excepting your non-scientific crap about pedophilia, would my daughter be safer with a homosexual or heterosexual male teacher. In short, your crap has no pratical application except to hold this site up as extremist and to be ridiculed by thinking people.

As long as the owner allows your type of posting, have fun. But let's not pretend anything you're doing resembles american or conservative values.

87 posted on 12/08/2003 10:36:29 PM PST by breakem
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To: scripter
re 83 you made up a straw man to argue with me. If you want to make up my position then argue with yourself. This is a dishonest form of debate.
88 posted on 12/08/2003 10:37:40 PM PST by breakem
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Homosexual unions never produce children, heterosexual unions often do. Protection of children is the reason the state has a compelling interest in marriage. That is a compelling reason for the state to ignore homosexual unions.

However, your argument is not at all convincing that therefore, to be fair or some such thing, the state must rigorously step in and outlaw marriage between heterosexual couples who cannot or do not want to produce children.

These silly arguments have been answered again and again on these threads.

89 posted on 12/08/2003 10:41:00 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Our neighbors, two women, married by their minister have a child. One of them went to the clinic and contracted with the sperm donor. I guess they produced a child to some extent.
90 posted on 12/08/2003 10:42:47 PM PST by breakem
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To: jwalsh07
Law without Justice is immoral.

Justice, as defined by the Justinians is "Constans et perpetua voluntas, jus suum cuique tribuendi."

"The constant and perpetual will to secure to every one HIS OWN right."

The law exists as a servant to Justice.

Individual rights, all genderless in the eye of the Law.

91 posted on 12/08/2003 10:44:11 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Torie
Good point (and I hate to admit it, but I hadn't thought of that one), except that if both woman are relatively poor, I am not sure what the benefits would be really financially (other than social security survivor benefits, but you said woman with children), and if one woman is much richer than the other, than the rich woman is bearing the finanacial risk.

Read this when you get a chance.

Getting late, I'll follow up when I can. Adios.

92 posted on 12/08/2003 10:44:30 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, Justinian ran a theocarcy. Perhaps another reference would be more conducive to your side of the argument.
93 posted on 12/08/2003 10:45:46 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: breakem
What? You didn't find any propaganda in what I posted? Even homosexuals are now admitting their lifestyle results in severe health hazards and you appear to encourage that destructive lifestyle.

Even excepting your non-scientific crap about pedophilia

Oops. There you go again, making statements without any supporting evidence. Well, here's your chance to find what your'e looking for: Homosexuals, being around 2% (including bisexuals) of the population, account for a third of child molestations. Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

I have more if you're interested.

Perhaps you should start your own project for other groups that demand rights based on behavior... behavior that results in such severe health hazards as stated above.

94 posted on 12/08/2003 10:46:34 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
"Protection of children is the reason the state has a compelling interest in marriage."

Let me get this straight.

You are in a Conservative forum arguing that the State is acting in the best interest of our children, and that's why homosexuals who are unable to bear children are not allowed to marry?

Would you be making reference to the same State that legalizes killing a million fetuses a year?

95 posted on 12/08/2003 10:47:45 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: breakem
re 83 you made up a straw man to argue with me.

Do you deny the health hazards of the homosexual lifestyle?

96 posted on 12/08/2003 10:48:00 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Torie
Limiting marriage to the concept of procreation went out a long, long time ago.

Why do you use the word "limiting"? I agree there are many reasons why a man and a woman decide to get married. But the procreation that results from sexual union is the fundamental social fact that motivated the institution of marriage to be created, and is still vitally important to it. Is it not?

By the way, you do know that Israel lets out of the closet gays into its military didn't you?

What's the connection?

97 posted on 12/08/2003 10:49:00 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: scripter
"you appear to encourage that destructive lifestyle."

You don't know the difference between recognizing rights and "encouraging" something. Weak!

You know the percentage of the population that is homosexual and you know the % of pedophilia committted by homosexuals. Since most people including the police and social workers don't know these stats, you could make a lot of money selling your information.

Oh, I forgot, you don't have any of your own info, just unscientific postings and propaganda.

You answer to my challenges has been weak and spotty. Sleep on it and ask around. Then maybe you'll have an epiphany.

Good luck. C-YA

98 posted on 12/08/2003 10:51:15 PM PST by breakem
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To: jwalsh07
You've been reduced to heckling.

I will not be Tambo to your Mr. Bones.

Debate the issue.

99 posted on 12/08/2003 10:52:30 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
One man and one woman marrying and producing children and forming a family unit is the pattern that the state has a compelling interest in preserving. The state does it by supporting the traditional institution of marriage. I ask again: what is the compelling reason to change this state of affairs?

If the state indeed has an interest in promoting family life, then it should support the extension of marriage to homosexuals in order to stabilize and legalize their relationships. And as I pointed out to you, many homosexuals do have children.(as do many unmarried heterosexuals.)

In my experience discussing this issue, anyone who rabidly opposes gay marriage virtually always does so for two reasons 1) unthinking prejudice (I hate homos ) and 2) traditional religious teaching( God hates homos)

Any purported public policy rationales are just a pretext for (1) or (2) or most often (1) and (2)

100 posted on 12/08/2003 10:52:52 PM PST by WackyKat
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