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Why Berger Pilfered

Posted on 07/20/2004 5:54:43 PM PDT by silverleaf

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To: MinuteGal

You would think, but from what I understand there are some documents that are gone for good. Cannot be found. It makes me so sick to think this, but I have a bad feeling this will be swept completely under the rug in the next couple of days.


41 posted on 07/20/2004 7:23:00 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: silverleaf

I wonder how many documents Richard Clarke stuffed down his pants. Also, how many did he plant?


42 posted on 07/20/2004 7:24:09 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: sinkspur
Well, that's not what I heard. Everything in the archives is copied. Everything.

I would imagine those items placed in the Archives for the purpose of ensuring their preservation for the ages are all copied.

But if I were running a classified document shop, I would be more worried about keeping documents from getting outside than about preservation. In that case, the fewer copies there are, the less risk there is of information inadvertently getting outside. Different rules for that stuff.

43 posted on 07/20/2004 8:30:20 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: sinkspur

When handling classified documents the INFORMATION is what is classified. Original-copy, the security of the information contained in the media is what must be protected. We are at war and sensitive information like this could be very valuable to those who wish to do us harm. The legal description of this crime is : any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense


44 posted on 07/20/2004 8:41:56 PM PDT by gogipper
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To: silverleaf; avg_freeper; bvw; wingman1; bannie; oolatec; EGPWS; eleni121; bjs1779; ...
 
 
Monday, April 12, 2004 - Page updated at 12:00 A.M.

Clarke book has errors about arrest of Ahmed Ressam

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001901197_ressam12m.html

By Mike Carter
Seattle Times staff reporter

Was it "shaking trees" or shaking knees that led to the arrest of convicted millennium terrorist Ahmed Ressam?

As former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke tells it in his book "Against All Enemies," an international alert to be on the lookout for terrorists played a role in Ressam's capture at a Port Angeles ferry terminal in December 1999, his car loaded with bomb-making material.

But national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice, in her testimony before the Sept. 11 commission last week, discounted Clarke's version and credited a savvy U.S. customs agent, Diana Dean.

Real American Heros!

The Customs Inspectors who apprehended Ahmed Ressam: Mike Chapman, Diana Dean, Mark Johnson, Dan Clem

Dean stopped Ressam because "she sniffed something about Ressam. They saw that something was wrong" — not because of some security alert, Rice testified.

The debate over Ressam's capture encapsulates the controversy between Clarke and the Bush administration over which president — Clinton or Bush — took the threat of al-Qaida more seriously, and whether either administration did enough before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Disputing Clarke's claim, Rice testified customs agents "weren't actually on alert."

At least one of the agents who helped apprehend Ressam sides with Rice's version of events.

Moreover, others involved in the Ressam case say Clarke's book contains factual errors and wrongly implies national-security officials knew of Ressam's plan to set a bomb at Los Angeles International Airport long before they actually did.

"I've found the exchange over Ressam one of the more interesting aspects of this debate," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow in foreign-policy studies and homeland security at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. "This whole 'shaking-the-trees' concept has become fascinating," he said, referring to the notion that law enforcement was on the lookout for terrorists.

Ressam's arrest came on President Clinton's watch. Early that month, Clarke wrote in his book, the United States had learned terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden were planning as many as 15 attacks on Americans worldwide as the millennium approached.

Clarke, who worked for both Clinton and Bush, said he convened the Counter-terrorism Security Group, which he chaired, and sent out warnings both overseas and to local, state and federal law-enforcement agencies around the country to be on heightened alert for suspicious activity. "And then we waited," he wrote.
 
"The break came in an unlikely location," Clarke wrote, describing Ressam's arrest by customs agents during a "routine screening."

According to a former customs agent who was involved, Clarke's version, laid out in one chapter of his book, wrongly implies they were on "heightened alert" and somehow looking for terrorists.

"No," was the terse reply of Michael Chapman, one of the customs agents who arrested Ressam, when asked if he was aware of a security alert.

"We were on no more alert than we're always on. That is a matter of public record," said Chapman, now a Clallam County commissioner.

A review of the trial testimony of Chapman, Dean and two other U.S. customs agents involved in the arrest turned up no reference to a security alert.

Rather, it supports Chapman's assessment that agents thought Ressam was smuggling drugs when they opened the trunk of his rental car and found bags of white powder buried in the spare-tire well. Only after finding several plastic black boxes, containing watches wired to circuit boards, did anyone suspect a bomb.

Dean has said repeatedly she singled Ressam out for a closer look because he was nervous, fumbling and sweating. Ressam has since told agents he was sick, and federal sources have confirmed Ressam had apparently gotten malaria while at terrorist-training camps in Afghanistan.

Clarke's version of that night contains other errors. Some of them are minor. But one implies national-security officials knew more about Ressam's plans than they could have at the time:

• Clarke wrote that Ressam bolted and left his car on the ferry. In fact, Ressam drove off the ferry and ran when he was stopped for inspection.

• Clarke reported Dean ran after Ressam. Actually, two other agents gave chase.

• More significantly, Clarke wrote that agents had found "explosives and a map of the Los Angeles International Airport" in the car, implying the threat to the airport was known almost immediately.

There was no map in the car. A map of Greater Los Angeles was found days later in Ressam's apartment in Montreal. Nobody had a clue for nearly 11 months that Los Angeles was a target.

Circles scrawled on the map around three L.A.-area airports weren't found until October 2000, after the document had been turned over to the FBI. It wasn't until Ressam began cooperating in May 2001 that his actual target was known for sure.

In fact, in the weeks after Ressam's capture, officials in Seattle were so unsure about his actual target that then-Mayor Paul Schell canceled the city's popular New Year's Eve celebration at Seattle Center, thinking the Space Needle could be a target.

• Clarke reported Canadians had somehow "missed" the existence of Ressam's cell of radical Algerian Muslims in Montreal and that, after Ressam's arrest, the Canadian government cooperated.

According to testimony at Ressam's trial and interviews with Canadian intelligence officials, Ressam and the cell in Montreal had been under surveillance for at least two years before Ressam's arrest. But the Canadian Security Intelligence Service never told anyone.

U.S. prosecutors have complained bitterly about Canada's foot-dragging as the Ressam case proceeded. Canadian prosecutors blocked U.S. access to at least one crucial witness — an Algerian who gave Ressam a gun and talked about blowing up Jews in Montreal.

Indeed, the U.S. came within hours of dropping charges against Ressam on the eve of his March 2001 trial because the Canadian government attempted to withdraw the witnesses.

King County Superior Court Judge Steven Gonzalez, who, in 2001, was one of three federal prosecutors who tried Ressam in Los Angeles, agreed some of Clarke's assertions "are not consistent with the evidence at trial."

Martha Levin, a publicist at Free Press, the Simon & Schuster subsidiary that published "Against All Enemies," said Clarke had no comment about the errors. "Free Press makes it a policy not to discuss internal editorial processes," she said.

Another Brookings scholar, Stephen Hess, a senior fellow on governmental studies and an authority on Washington and the media, said errors in memoirs are not unusual or particularly significant unless they affect the broader point or conclusion the author is drawing.

"So it's hard to say what the significance of these errors are," Hess added. "Whether you agree with him or not, I don't think anybody has accused Dick Clarke of being sloppy."

And Clarke's conclusion remains valid. Al-Qaida, he wrote, was here — and actively attempting to attack the United States.

Mike Carter: 206-464-3706 or mcarter@seattletimes.com


The Customs Inspectors who apprehended Ahmed Ressam : Mike Chapman , Diana Dean , Mark Johnson , Dan Clem

By now, virtually all of America has heard of Ahmed Ressam . Last winter, he was widely covered in the news media as investigators built a case against him based on his ties to organized international terrorism. In fact, from the moment Ressam crossed into the United States on a ferry from Victoria , British Columbia , presenting himself as "Benni Noris," something just didn't seem quite right. His was the last car to board the ferry at the Port Angeles port of entry, and something told Customs inspector Diana M. Dean that she should take a second look. As she explained later, "After working on this job awhile, you get a knack for knowing when something isn't right."

  When the ferry reached its destination, Inspector Dean gave Noris the standard Customs declaration, which he completed. Then, she asked him to step out of his car. "It wasn't just one thing that tipped me off. There was something strange about his mannerisms, and he was stalling in answering my questions," Dean said. Noris's stalling also quickly got the attention of Dean 's colleague, inspector Mark Johnson .

  Noris finally got out of the car and stood by Johnson while the inspector checked the trunk. But, when the inspector discovered some white powder hidden in the spare tire well of the trunk, Noris took off. "One second I have a hold of him; the next, I'm standing there with an empty coat," Johnson said. Fortunately, other Customs inspectors were able to apprehend Noris while he was trying to car-jack an automobile stopped at a nearby traffic light.

  A Recipe for Trouble

  White powder would make anybody suspicious, but Dean and Johnson also found timers, mysterious-looking little black boxes, batteries, circuit boards, and more items that looked like the recipe for a bomb. The material hadn't been tested or identified, so the inspectors couldn't be sure that they were the ingredients for an explosive device. And, Ressam had plenty of identification confirming that he was Benni Noris from Quebec : a Canadian passport, eight credit cards, and a driver's license issued by the province of Quebec . There was just one small problem; he also had a second license saying he was " Mario Roig ." And, Benni's passport was sporting Mario 's photograph. The two different drivers' licenses were the first pieces of physical evidence supporting Dean and Johnson 's instincts that things were amiss.

  The Start of Something Big

  Although the white powder tested negative for drugs, and Dean , Johnson , and the other Customs officials involved didn't know exactly what to make of Benni Noris and his alter ego, Mario Roig , they were pretty sure that they were on to something big. They also knew they would have to move fast if they wanted to hold their suspect because, under Federal law, a suspect detained by a Federal law enforcement agency like Customs, the FBI, or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, must go before a magistrate by the following morning.

  When a Canadian citizen is arrested in the U.S. , it's customary for American officials to inform the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). So, Customs gave the RCMP a set of Noris/Roig's fingerprints, and the RCMP quickly matched them to one Ahmed Ressam and a series of thefts in Canada .

 

 


45 posted on 07/20/2004 10:13:18 PM PDT by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: oolatec
The attitude you express seems to be in the minority at times. I believe there are many who wont speak up because of that seeming minority.

I'm encouraged by the events that always seem to follow on things like 9/11. Notice that enlistments in the military are up to requirements easily. So they were on 8 Dec 1941.

46 posted on 07/20/2004 10:32:02 PM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to someone else.)
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To: Brilliant
I wonder how many documents Richard Clarke stuffed down his pants. Also, how many did he plant?

Know what bothers me? As the Clinton Administration had control of all these documents while he was in office, how DID damaging info not get destroyed before? Wouldn't you think that drafts with all kinds of nasty tidbits in it would have been shredded long ago? We know they weren't shy.

Just too much to keep up with, I guess.

47 posted on 07/20/2004 10:49:56 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: MinuteGal

It's hard to say whether special intelligence or compartmented intelligence is "microfilmed".
From my experience as a special security officer, I'd say probably not.
These documents are so sensitive that they are on registers and must be signed out by people who have proper, verified clearance and NEED TO KNOW. They are accounted for- page by page, copy by copy.
And when they are destroyed, the destruction must be witnessed and both witnesses must sign.
The classification level assigned is based on an assessment that compromise of the information would cause, at a minimum, grave damage to US national security.
Berger was probably granted an interim clearance to access this information solely to prepare for his 911 testimony.
His abuse of PRIVILEGE- both that of serving in government and that of having access to our top national security information- has been abused to the point it makes me sick to my stomach. I haven't felt this way for a long time- since Clinton left office.


48 posted on 07/21/2004 7:27:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: chainsaw

I agree; he was "sanitizing" the clintoon record on terrorism.


49 posted on 07/21/2004 8:38:45 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: sinkspur

They were not copies. They were the original documents with initials of the people that read them.


50 posted on 07/22/2004 3:17:25 AM PDT by chainsaw (http://www.hanoi-john.org.)
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To: silverleaf

What I want to know - and what is probably secure information and I will not find out - is what the procedure is at that secure room site. Berger claims that he inadvertently took some stuff in the 'leather portfolio' he carried. Is that the lost articles? I thought noone could take articles out AT ALL? I thought you could only remove handwritten notes. IS the REASON berger is stuffing stuff down his trowsers because he KNOWs his leather portfolio is going to be checked [because portfolios/breifcases are inspected by default for anyone leaving the secure area ] by the fed agents at the door and they would see the docs or the numbers on the docs that would have told them - that these docs - these non-handwritten notes cannot leave the area . And knowing this ... Berger stuffs the papers in his croutch which will NOT be inspected and he has too high a security level to worry about a random pat-down search when leaving the area like he was some congressman's secretary? I once worked for a federal security agency and we all had to read the regs continually and be up on the regs... it was a matter of pride to know the regs better than the next guy and you were considered to be very "up" on security if you could confidently solve a security question like who had access or what kind of access.

Robert


51 posted on 07/22/2004 5:05:36 PM PDT by robertodemongo
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To: chainsaw

This "he took copies" argument is bogus. Those looking at the file at a later time would have to know that documents were missing. Unless someone from Archives replaces the missing documents, nobody will ever know Berger burgled them.


52 posted on 07/25/2004 8:00:17 PM PDT by outanames
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To: outanames

This "he took copies" argument is bogus.


Not to mention that the white house copies had notes penned in that will not be reproduced on copies from other agencies of the government. Clinton legacy protection all the way.


53 posted on 07/26/2004 3:45:38 AM PDT by chainsaw (http://www.hanoi-john.org.)
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To: sinkspur
Not to throw cold water, but he took copies. The originals were still there for the 9/11 commission to see.

How do you know this to be true? Because the media told you?

We are interested in the margin notes and comments on various drafts of a memo. I doubt the Archives has a routine policy of copying this material. Why would they? It's top secret codeword. You don't just fire off copies of top secret information.

54 posted on 07/26/2004 4:03:05 AM PDT by Henk
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To: antonia
From the article you posted on the Ahmed Ressam arrest:

There was just one small problem; [Ressam, alias Benni] also had a second license saying he was " Mario Roig ." And, Benni's passport was sporting Mario 's photograph.

How interesting. "Mario Roig" would be a typical Catalan name, from the Mediterranean coast of Spain, where Mohammed Atta and others spent August of 2001. Since this happened well before then, it seems that AQ's connections with the region go way back.

55 posted on 07/26/2004 4:11:29 AM PDT by livius
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