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Florida DOT Plans To Start Tracking Local Drivers
WFTV ^ | July 21, 2004 | WFTV

Posted on 07/22/2004 6:12:38 PM PDT by Mulder

SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. -- Is Big Brother watching Central Florida drivers? The Department of Transportation is planning a new way to track hundreds of thousands of drivers, and traffic. But some people say tracking their every move is going too far.

We see traffic studies all the time using those little ropes that count cars and cameras that watch for accidents. But this device is different. It can actually track your specific car as you drive around town and you give them the tool to do it.

You drive along minding your own business. But just who else is minding your business?

You might not notice it at first. But if you look a little closer, you'll see it, and it can see you.

Mike Patient doesn't like that.

"You're actually tracking a single individual in a vehicle going from point to point to point," he says.

The Department of Transportation is placing 120 electronic readers, just like the ones that read your E-PASS, at intersections to track drivers from the Turnpike and I-4 and through surface streets like 436, 17-92 and Highway 50.

Some of the readers even blend right in with existing signs and lights and they read the E-PASS transponder that's already in your car.

"Basically, it's just another tool so you can determine travel times," explains Steve Homan Department of Transportation.

A computer will assign your E-PASS a number to keep someone from tracking a person by name and the data is erased within minutes of being stored. There's just enough time to calculate the travel time for a traffic hotline and a website you'll be able to access next year.

"Our goal in this equipment is to tell how long it's gonna take to get from point A to point B. That's the intent. We intend to serve the public, not track 'em down," Homan says.

But the DOT admits, the technology could be used to do that.

The Expressway Authority says, when you sign the contract for an E-PASS it's actually in there that you agree to be a part of traffic studies.

By the end of the year, all 120 of the readers should be installed so the system can be up and running next spring. The state will begin by tracking cars in Orange, Seminole, Osceola and Brevard counties.

Because some cars will turn off or use other roads, only about five percent will end up being tracked.


TOPICS: Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; controlgrid; policestate; privacy
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To: Mulder

41 posted on 07/23/2004 6:45:41 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: expatpat
"I do not believe that the kind of society I describe in 1984 necessarily WILL arrive, but I believe...that something resembling it COULD arrive. I believe also that totalitarian ideas have taken root in the minds of intellectuals everywhere." - George Orwell


42 posted on 07/23/2004 6:47:33 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
I believe also that totalitarian ideas have taken root in the minds of intellectuals everywhere." - George Orwell

An interesting quotation, new to me.

Why do you think they have? Could it be that intellectuals deeply resent the fact that the population as a whole does not recognize that they are superior beings who have all the answers (sarcasm)?

43 posted on 07/23/2004 7:32:48 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat
Why do you think they have?

I believe that they think will be in charge in a world where totalitarianism reigns.

44 posted on 07/23/2004 7:42:55 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, one minute ago)
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To: glock rocks; B4Ranch
Ever read Koontz's book Dark Rivers of the Heart? Scariest book I've ever read. No devils, no ghosts or spirits just an evil man with government access to everybodies computer information.
45 posted on 07/23/2004 8:00:58 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

No, I've never read it but I can imagine why it is scary.


46 posted on 07/23/2004 8:05:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch (We're going to take things away from you (guns) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004)
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To: glock rocks

We're going to take things away from you (LIBERTY) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004


47 posted on 07/23/2004 8:18:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch (We're going to take things away from you (guns) on behalf of the common good." Hillary 6/29/2004)
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To: farmfriend
"Dark Rivers of the Heart"

Oh, my God, what has it been? Ten years ago? I still remember every page.

No other book like it!

I'd love to be privy to his research for that book.

Do you think he had NSA pals help him or what.

In terms of Gov. snooping, it's more important than 1984!

And to think, it was written in the previous century!

48 posted on 07/23/2004 10:10:59 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
In terms of Gov. snooping, it's more important than 1984!

One of the scariest parts was when the bad guy used the search and seizure laws to take down the cop that was getting to close. Ouch! That was when I first started understanding just how bad things were getting.

49 posted on 07/23/2004 10:15:16 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend
I'm curious why it's not serialized on the sci-fi channel or something like it, it's certain to do better than the "What's it's name files".
50 posted on 07/23/2004 10:23:06 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
I would think at least a movie is warrented. The Net was ok but not as good as this one would be or as plausible.
51 posted on 07/23/2004 10:28:16 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: norraad

VERICHIP * RFID. Let's bar code and track you. Bagged, tagged, caged and tamed. If you THINK you have $50,000 in your hand, don't worry we can automatically "adjust" your account. You have 5,000 speeding incidents recorded this month, so we'll call it even til next month.

Next month, your soul. If you resist? ... well you wouldn't want to do that ....

The sheep are being led to the slaughter. "No big deal."


52 posted on 07/23/2004 10:29:10 AM PDT by Bald Eagle777 ("An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure")
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To: Bald Eagle777
Well, on the other hand;

How can we afford to maintain the government in the manner to which it has become accustom?

53 posted on 07/23/2004 10:40:12 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Protagoras

You could be right. Of course, they never will be -- the men of action will always take charge over a bunch of vacillating pencil-necks (and I speak as a PhD pencil-neck).


54 posted on 07/23/2004 11:13:46 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: stuartcr
My cell phone broadcasts when it is on, like all cell phones...but it does not broadcast my position..all anyone could know is what area of reception I am in, and that can be more than one.

Wrong. Your position can be caluculated to within a few feet. Mobile phone "GPS" does not use satellites, it uses signal strength to antennas and the location of the antennas to calculate where you are. You have been bagged and tagged.

55 posted on 07/24/2004 6:48:23 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: glockmeister40

Gonna be big market for "jammers". That way you can use your E pass at the tolls, then turn on your jammer and blot out the signal when you don't want it broadcast.


56 posted on 07/24/2004 6:51:29 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Mulder
These transponders are about the size of a deck of playing cards, and you put them on the windshield of the car. Shouldn't be hard to shield the signal when you don't want to transmit......
57 posted on 07/24/2004 6:54:03 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: eno_

Not true if you are only accessing one cell site, or if you are mobile. It can ID an area/vicinity , but not a location to within a few feet.


58 posted on 07/24/2004 7:12:24 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Kozak
I agree about the jammers and rfid blockers. The sad thing thing is we would need to resort to such things to prevent government snooping. Look for the day when the governemnt makes jammers and rfid blockers illegal.
59 posted on 07/24/2004 7:45:17 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: stuartcr

That is only true if ONLY one tower recieves your signal. In 80% of mobile wireless coverage areas (maybe more for CDMA) more than one tower sees your signal and the sytem must decide which tower you will be connected through. Which is also why the mobile wireless network already collects the data needed to locate you.


60 posted on 07/24/2004 9:53:42 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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