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A MS. MAPES MYSTERY (CBS' 60 Minutes Democrat connection)
NY POST ^ | 9/22/04 | EDITORIAL

Posted on 09/22/2004 3:11:11 AM PDT by Liz

As we asked yesterday: What did Dan Rather know?

And when did he know it?

And that was even before it was disclosed that CBS News' dubious source for those phony National Guard memos insisted on being put in touch directly with John Kerry's campaign — apparently as a condition for turning over the documents.

As USA Today reported in detail yesterday, CBS producer Mary Mapes arranged for Bill Burkett (who provided the forged documents) to speak with Joe Lockhart, the former Clinton press secretary who's now a top Kerry campaign adviser.

CBS claims hooking Burkett up with Lockhart "was not part of any deal" to get the memos, which producer Mapes had spent five fruitless years in search of.

Burkett, however, insists that the contact was indeed part of an "understanding" — without which he would not turn over the documents.

At this point, neither Burkett nor the network have much standing in the credibility department.

But even taking the network's claim at face value undercuts Rather's claim that using the documents — which he now says he regrets — was "an error that was made . . . in good faith."

Not to mention his insistence that this story was part of the "CBS News tradition of investigate reporting without fear or favoritism."

Simple common sense would have mandated that — faced with a demand by their source to involve the Kerry campaign — Rather and Mapes say flatly, "No way."

But they were so eager to get their hands on what they believed were explosive memos — supposedly proving once and for all that George W. Bush received special treatment in getting into the Air National Guard and then avoiding his full service obligation — that they agreed to anything Burkett wanted.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; marymapes; news; planetofthemapes; rathergate; stainedbluememo
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To: SkyPilot
It won't last though.

No it won't. Liberal's support for the war on terror didn't last long (as I predicted) and the press' new-found objectiveness won't last long either.

21 posted on 09/22/2004 3:52:36 AM PDT by libertylover (Keep Marraige Normal)
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To: Liz
The Swift Boat Vets new campaign ad is why JFKerry and CBS and all other media are still on a premeditated plot to disrupt an election.

JFKerry and CBS as well as the other media outlets are quite content to keep this "dirty trick" on the front page and first story on the NEWS.

JFKerry and his medial whores know darn well that even moderate democrats will not like the JFKerry going to Paris part of JFKerry war story.
22 posted on 09/22/2004 3:54:36 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: SkyPilot
USA Today is running scared from the Jack Kelley scandal a few months back, when it was revealed that their former "star" reporter had faked sources and quotes for years. Don't forget: USA Today ran esssentially the same account as "60 Minutes" the day after it first aired. However, someone at USA Today (or its parent company, Gannett) became suspicious--perhaps after hearing about the early "forgery" posts at FR and Little Green Footballs.

In any event, USA Today did one of the fastest 180s in the history of journalism. Apparently, the editorial checks and balances work better at USA Today than at CBS News, although I should point out that the paper has never apologized (nor explained) its original hit piece. It is also debatable how quickly USA Today would have changed its tune had the Jack Kelly scandal never occurred.

But here's the real bottom line for American journalism. Why did no one in the media challenge the memos until the bloggers and the FReepers pointed out the obvious deficiencies in the CBS documents? The MSM was quite willing to let CBS News air a fraudulent story, and would have dismissed Republican questions about the stories as partisian rhetoric. As Sean Hannity (and others) have pointed out, the carefully contrived ANG story was designed to turn the election--and it might have, without the new media, including FR.

You could fire half the liberals at the NYT, Washington Post, Newsweek, et al., and they'd still be hopeless causes. They're dinosaurs, and the ice age has already begun. Americans are voting with their feet, their pocket books and their remote controls and the MSM is (thankfully) in its death throes...

23 posted on 09/22/2004 3:55:48 AM PDT by Spook86 (,)
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To: tkathy
Some FReeper or another suggested that those forgeries are hoaxes that "got out into the wild."

They are just about crude enough for that to be believable; what kind of forger uses a word processor in its default setting, and doesn't research the format of typical 1972 TANG memos?

And, of course, what kind of journalist who hopes to maintain a reputation "without fear or favor" goes to the wall on the basis of forgeries so obvious that you could cite a different, independent reason to call them frauds every day for the next month.

24 posted on 09/22/2004 3:59:42 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Liz

Dan doesn't seem to know anything, even yet. He still believes the memos are real.


25 posted on 09/22/2004 4:01:27 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: GailA; All
UH-UM !

60m@cbsnews.com

UH-UM !

26 posted on 09/22/2004 4:07:42 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (We're preaching to the choir. Get out and correctly persuade people to vote for Bush !!)
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To: Spook86
Awesome Post Spook86 !

"But here's the real bottom line for American journalism. Why did no one in the media challenge the memos until the bloggers and the FReepers pointed out the obvious deficiencies in the CBS documents? "

Geeeeeee - I wonder how many other times the Liberal MSM has misled the American Public ...?

27 posted on 09/22/2004 4:11:58 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (We're preaching to the choir. Get out and correctly persuade people to vote for Bush !!)
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To: Libertina
I wouldn't expect the mass media to actually be able to root this source out for themselves......

Yeah, kinda hard to do when CBS is fellating every Dumbocrat in sight.

28 posted on 09/22/2004 4:17:58 AM PDT by Liz
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To: js1138

(Sniffle) Like all good liberals, Dan is so "tolerant and compassionate" (sob).


29 posted on 09/22/2004 4:19:50 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

Part of what this story PROVES is that most of the networks and especially CBS do not know what concerns people. For example, paying for college when profs are not even in class-but their salary is up 30%. Paying for taxes on things we don't care about and wish the government would leave alone - HIPPA. These are the real problems of today not 35 years ago when the world was different.


30 posted on 09/22/2004 4:20:41 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Liz
Indeed, the more we learn about this whole sordid episode, the more disturbing it becomes.

What else is CBS hiding?

My question, what other CBS "NEWS" stories are false?

31 posted on 09/22/2004 4:26:20 AM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas (One man's conspiracy is another man's truth!)
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To: Liz
"Yeah, kinda hard to do when CBS is fellating every Dumbocrat in sight."


CBS knows who their audience is, "rural" people without cable.

These people tried to sell a con. The way they are reacting is not to come clean so why? Obviously they would rather continue discussing the "con" they have everybody focusing upon the "con" and there are reasons why.

Meanwhile the Swift Boat Vets are releasing an ad telling JFKerry war story. This whole thing came about, (Lockhart said that is what he talked to Burkett about responding to the Swift Boat Vets) to distract from JFKerry going to Paris.
32 posted on 09/22/2004 4:29:27 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
My question, what other CBS "NEWS" stories are false?

If you've watched "60 Minutes" in the past, you might conclude that nearly all of CBS's stories are at a minimum, sensationalized, and more typically, false. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and the like have had a free reign to produce whatever they want and present it as news regardless of its accuracy.

33 posted on 09/22/2004 4:30:03 AM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

The other media didn't challenge CBS because they couldn't believe they could be so stupid. I recall feeling that way and saying so right here.

It took a lot of clever people to bring this one down, and major news organizations employee journalism graduates, not 20 year National Guard veterans and computer science guys.

The simple fact is that with 100,000 members, FR is going to have someone with expertise on just about anything. If there's really something wrong, we will sniff it out.


34 posted on 09/22/2004 4:30:08 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
They are just about crude enough for that to be believable; what kind of forger uses a word processor in its default setting, and doesn't research the format of typical 1972 TANG memos?

Someone young enough they don't remember the world before wordprocessers and computers? I am 40, and I did have a typing class in high school, so I would look for someone 30'ish or younger.

I am a little confused on one Mapes issue. Did Mapes physically go to Burkett to speak with him? If she did, I think that would make a HUGE difference in the issue of "buying" the forgeries aka Lockhart connection. If she was physically with Burkett, why would he need to fax them to her? Unless he waited for the payoff (phonecall) and then faxed them.

35 posted on 09/22/2004 4:31:53 AM PDT by FarmerW
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To: Spook86
Why did no one in the media challenge the memos until the bloggers and the FReepers pointed out the obvious deficiencies in the CBS documents?

Regardless of the MSM's intent, they didn't have time. We beat them to this story (and continue to).

36 posted on 09/22/2004 4:32:09 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Liz

CBS, responsible and thorough, seeking only unimpeachable non-partisan sources, announces they are still checking their sources on the alleged rape of Juanita Broaderick.


37 posted on 09/22/2004 4:36:26 AM PDT by alrea (Help Wanted: New Jersey Director, Homeland Security. Must be willing performer, and good looking.)
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To: GailA

Well, at least we know that if Kerry is elected, there are already grounds for his impeachment.


38 posted on 09/22/2004 4:43:16 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Just mythoughts

Nice deconstruction.


39 posted on 09/22/2004 4:49:09 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
I have a strong suspicion that whoever is behind the forgeries, is also the "unnamed sources" for most of the garbage in Kitty K's book

Bill Burkett has told friends he was one of the sources for Michael Moore's latest movie. I would not be surprised if he was Kitty's source as well.

40 posted on 09/22/2004 4:52:19 AM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas (One man's conspiracy is another man's truth!)
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