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Pioneer [gravitational] anomaly put to the test
Physics World ^ | September 2004 | Slava Turyshev and John Anderson

Posted on 09/27/2004 11:38:32 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: grey_whiskers
Can we check the estimate of the charge by looking at curvature of the flight path, the mass, and the applied B field?

I don't know whether we have a good estimate of the magnetic field out there. If my explanation is correct, it may turn out that it was rejected early on because of mistaken assumptions about the size of the magnetic field and the net charge on the probes.

41 posted on 09/27/2004 5:36:40 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist; grey_whiskers
"... looking at curvature of the flight path..."

This seems to be inherently an unlikely possibility. Wouldn't any such deviation or curvature from its path be a great deal easier to detect than its Doppler shift?

What about an uncalculated effect of cold gas mass on slowing the craft gravitaionally?(As for example, a rather depleted "solar wind"?)

That would seem to make the gravity field a little more steep as it went.

42 posted on 09/27/2004 7:50:48 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (AuthorHouse.com/BookStore/Hawthorne)... (Pay no mind to this guy Hawthorne, he keeps trying to intru)
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To: NicknamedBob; RadioAstronomer
Wouldn't any such deviation or curvature from its path be a great deal easier to detect than its Doppler shift?

There's no way to measure the transverse velocity except by tracking its azimuthal displacement, but that can't be measured very precisely. Maybe RadioAstronomer can give us an idea of how accurately we can place a probe at that distance on the celestial sphere, based only on its signal.

What about an uncalculated effect of cold gas mass on slowing the craft gravitaionally?(As for example, a rather depleted "solar wind"?)

The solar wind travels outwards at a pretty good clip until it reaches the heliopause, so for (at least) most of the probe's journey, it would be pushing the probe in the wrong direction to account for the anomaly. As for a cold molecular cloud, I think that's ruled out because any cloud dense enough to account for the anomaly would have an obvious absorption spectrum on the light of remote stars. Not only that, but I believe that a couple of the probes measure the local radiation directly; they'd see the cloud particles.

43 posted on 09/27/2004 8:33:49 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Thank you for the link. I hadn't seen that paper.

I'm a big believer in the "stopped clock" hypothesis when it comes to cranks.

44 posted on 09/27/2004 9:09:11 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Physicist; NicknamedBob

here ya go:

http://deepspace.jpl.nasa.gov/dsn/images/album/dsn69.jpg


45 posted on 09/27/2004 10:25:33 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer; NicknamedBob
Wow! Thanks for that plot, RA; I never imagined it would be that precise. They ought to be able to spot a magnetic deflection of this magnitude pretty easily.

Another beautiful theory, spoilt by an ugly fact. :-)

46 posted on 09/28/2004 7:09:10 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: FairOpinion

Those with poor reading comprehension should note that they've just replied to a two year old thread. So don't write in, okay? ;')

But to FairOpinion, here's not one but two 2004 topics, related to each other, and you can write me any time (':

Gravitational anomalies: An invisible hand?
From The Economist print edition | Aug 19th 2004
Posted on 08/21/2004 4:31:57 AM EDT by ScuzzyTerminator
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47 posted on 06/25/2006 2:06:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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To: Red Badger
Gaseous anomalies in the Neutral Zone?......

They are especially strong near Uranus.

48 posted on 06/25/2006 2:10:46 PM PDT by P8riot (Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.)
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To: annie laurie; garbageseeker; Knitting A Conundrum

from 2004.


49 posted on 08/18/2006 8:46:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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50 posted on 08/18/2006 8:46:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Comet's course hints at mystery planet [ from 2001 ]
Govert Schilling | last updated February 5th, 2002 | Govert Schilling
Posted on 08/18/2006 5:36:59 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
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51 posted on 10/20/2006 11:45:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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