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Pioneer [gravitational] anomaly put to the test
Physics World ^
| September 2004
| Slava Turyshev and John Anderson
Posted on 09/27/2004 11:38:32 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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09/27/2004 11:39:30 AM PDT
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PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Probably because they used a Hp-15 back in the day...
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posted on
09/27/2004 11:40:12 AM PDT
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2banana
(They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
To: PatrickHenry
The only other possibility is the existence of new physics. Or Romulan scans. ;)
To: PatrickHenry
This might be over my head but I'm glad you posted. I'll bookmark for later. :)
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09/27/2004 11:43:10 AM PDT
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cvq3842
To: PatrickHenry
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posted on
09/27/2004 11:44:38 AM PDT
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Nowhere Man
("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
To: Mr. Jeeves
Gaseous anomalies in the Neutral Zone?......
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posted on
09/27/2004 11:46:04 AM PDT
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Red Badger
(If you shoot from the hip enough times, eventually you'll shoot yourself in the a$$......)
To: PatrickHenry
I believe that this effect was confirmed during one of Cassini's earth flybys.
To: Red Badger
Cracked dilithium crystal.....................?
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09/27/2004 11:49:45 AM PDT
by
spokeshave
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To: Red Badger
Gaseous anomalies in the Neutral Zone?......
That's what you get for letting defensive linemen eat chile before the game.
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09/27/2004 11:51:23 AM PDT
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ProudVet77
(Vietnam Veterans Reconciliation Day - 02NOV2004.)
To: PatrickHenry
Very interesting PH. I've always had a soft spot for guys that design and launch satellites, just for the almost-immediate obsolescence issue. Must be very frustrating knowing that, by the time your bird gets to where you want it, it's many years behind your current technology.
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09/27/2004 11:51:50 AM PDT
by
Shryke
(Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
To: PatrickHenry
What if gravity isn't weak or consistent?
Some of these theories suggest that gravity might attract a little harder than expected at large distances or small accelerations, so the concept of dark matter may not even be necessary.
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posted on
09/27/2004 11:53:18 AM PDT
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GOPJ
(The effect of‘MSM bias’ is the Democratic party and the press sustain each other’s delusions. Steyn)
To: PatrickHenry
Is it possible/likely that the acceleration towards the sun could have been the result of a prolonged encounter with an asteroid, whose orbit took it close enough to Pioneer to affect its path.
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09/27/2004 11:53:27 AM PDT
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GeraldP
(Non-violence never solved anything.)
To: ProudVet77
Maybe the COWBOYS can take note for tonight's game!!!!!FALSE STARTS, Indeed!....
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09/27/2004 11:54:10 AM PDT
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Red Badger
(If you shoot from the hip enough times, eventually you'll shoot yourself in the a$$......)
To: GOPJ
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09/27/2004 11:55:34 AM PDT
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Red Badger
(If you shoot from the hip enough times, eventually you'll shoot yourself in the a$$......)
To: cvq3842
It's over the heads of most, but this phenomenon will lead to some modification of physical theory.
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posted on
09/27/2004 11:57:38 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
To: PatrickHenry
OK ... first off, we've got a couple of authors whose main purpose would seem to be to garner funding for their pet mission. Then we have this:
Attempts to test the anomaly using other spacecraft such as Galileo and the Voyager probes have proved unsuccessful,
First off, let's be clear what these guys are talking about: the trajectory determination process has shown what appears to be an unexplained perturbation. Apparently the same perturbation has not been noted with Voyager.
Note that the data in question here are tracking data gathered using Very Long Baseline Interferometry.
While it's entirely possible that they're observing some real effect, the apparent lack of corroborating data for other deep space probes suggests to me that there's a subtle error somewhere in the ground system -- probably in the databases used for Pioneer trajectory processing.
It is not clear why the authors have tossed Galileo into this -- it was a Jupiter orbiter, far closer to the sun than the Pioneers and Voyagers, and its perturbation environment was much different. The effect, if real, is being detected outside the solar system.
My bet: it's something stupid and overlooked on the ground. It almost always is.
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09/27/2004 11:58:02 AM PDT
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r9etb
To: Red Badger
But on the other hand it might become a false end of play whistle.
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09/27/2004 11:58:18 AM PDT
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ProudVet77
(Vietnam Veterans Reconciliation Day - 02NOV2004.)
To: PatrickHenry
Since 1998 astronomers have known that the space probes Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 are following trajectories that cannot be explained by conventional physics. Launched in 1972 and 1973, respectively, to explore the outer planets, the Pioneer craft are now at the edge of the solar system, with Pioneer 10 being some 86 astronomical units (about 13 billion kilometres) from the Sun. But they are not quite where they should be, based on the gravitational pull of the known bodies in the solar system. The tragectories have been effected by cloaked Romulin vessels observing us from the edge of the solar system.
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09/27/2004 12:01:02 PM PDT
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spodefly
(A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party.)
To: Red Badger
The answer is obvious. Our Solar System is a gigantic Dyson sphere and all the galaxies Hubble is exposing is actually just some of the fancier porch lights of people who live on it's surface.
The really cool thing is that the entire Dyson sphere is actually haning in a mobile in Gods family room.
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09/27/2004 12:04:57 PM PDT
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RobRoy
(You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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