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CA: Restoring democracy - Yes on Proposition 62; no on Proposition 60
LA Daily News ^ | 10/17/04 | Op/Ed

Posted on 10/17/2004 9:40:31 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

When Arnold Schwarzenegger overwhelming won the race for governor last year, he vowed to break the hold that special interests and fringe groups have in Sacramento. But Schwarzenegger found that promise hard to keep, in large part due to something he has no control over - the Legislature.

The system under which California elects its legislators is engineered to elevate candidates who hold extremist views on the left and the right. Moderate, centrist candidates stand little chance because Democrats and Republicans conspired together to gerrymander legislative districts.

The gerrymandering is so bad that one party or the other is virtually guaranteed a lock in every district. As a result, the parties don't need to nominate candidates who can represent a broader platform, just ones who will follow party leadership.

Proposition 62 would end this by opening up primaries to all voters.

Under the current system, voters may only vote in the primaries for their own parties. The top vote-getters from each party then face off in the general election. But under Proposition 62, everyone would be able to vote for any candidate in the primary, with the top two candidates making it to the runoff.

The result is that, in districts where one party dominates, two Democrats or two Republicans could face each other in the runoff. The runoff would cease to be the mere formality it is now, but instead offer voters a real choice between two strong candidates who must appeal to as many people as possible.

In a state so long divided by ugly and destructive partisan politics, Proposition 62 offers the best way to end the gridlock in Sacramento and get politicians to start working for us, and not serving their parties' interests.

Proposition 62 is opposed by both the Democratic and Republican party machines. Neither party wants free and fair elections; they only want to preserve their advantages.

That's why they added Proposition 60 to the ballot - one of the most cynical and dishonest tricks ever attempted. Supporters of Prop. 60 are hoping to confuse voters with a measure that does nothing except preserve a system that has driven the state to the brink of bankruptcy.

Restore democracy to California. Vote yes on Proposition 62 - and vote no on Proposition 60.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; california; democracy; prop60; prop62; proposition; restoring
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1 posted on 10/17/2004 9:40:33 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Yeah, the Freedom of Association is over-rated anyways.

/sarcasm


2 posted on 10/17/2004 9:45:12 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: NormsRevenge

62 is a scam !!! It will destroy what is remaining of the Republican party in California. It's a another try at an open primary so that RINO republicans can team with democrats to take all the state assembly and senate races.


3 posted on 10/17/2004 9:48:12 AM PDT by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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To: NormsRevenge

California had an open primary not long ago, and it was overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court. What makes anyone think that this would fare any different if approved?


4 posted on 10/17/2004 9:48:59 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Jimbaugh

62 is a scam !!! It will destroy what is remaining of the Republican party in California. It's a another try at an open primary so that RINO republicans can team with democrats to take all the state assembly and senate races.

ABSOLUTELY...
Definately vote NO on BOTH Prop. 62 AND Prop.60...


5 posted on 10/17/2004 9:55:58 AM PDT by NoCalEyes
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To: NoCalEyes

Ditto, scam! Vote NO on 60 and 62.


6 posted on 10/17/2004 10:04:09 AM PDT by stefanbc (Have a nice left-wing suicide)
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To: Clintonfatigued; NoCalEyes; stefanbc
Prop 62 was written to get around the objections of the Supreme Court. It will basically make California Elections like Louisiana's, without the southern charm. Prop 62 was written by Democrats to destroy the Republican Party in Califonia.

Prop 60 was written to keep things as they are, and you should vote YES for it.

We can avoid open primaries by either defeating Prop 62, or by passing Prop 60 with a higher vote than Prop 62.

NO on 62 and Yes on 60

7 posted on 10/17/2004 10:31:28 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: NormsRevenge
NO on 60 *and* 62
8 posted on 10/17/2004 10:31:41 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: newzjunkey
If you don't like Prop 62, why in the world would you vote against Prop 60?
9 posted on 10/17/2004 10:41:18 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Restore democracy to California.

The degeneration from a republic into a democracy is reaching a critical state.Even nominally republican politicians can't speak enough about the wonders of "democracy".

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government-Article IV,sec. 4.

Vote yes on Proposition 62 - and vote no on Proposition 60

Vote no on ALL propositions.We pay the legislature a lot of money to write the laws.If the people feel the need to write a law on a topic where the politicos fear to tread,the answer is new legislators,not the "people" writing the laws.On the other hand,I have no problem with the referendum.

10 posted on 10/17/2004 10:46:34 AM PDT by kennyo
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To: kennyo
We pay the legislature a lot of money to write the laws.

It would be nice if the legislature did their job, but they don't. That's why I also support making the legislature part-time.

However, if Prop 62 passes, and Prop 60 doesn't, California gives up the Right of Association.

11 posted on 10/17/2004 10:56:01 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: NormsRevenge

If #62 was first, how come 60 opposes it?


12 posted on 10/17/2004 11:02:12 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: kennyo

Good morning.

Absolutely, yes! Vote no on all propositions, vote your conscience on referendums. Voting no on judges and bond measures isn't a bad policy.

Michael Frazier


13 posted on 10/17/2004 11:05:11 AM PDT by brazzaville
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To: kennyo

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... take the time to read the propositions and vote YES on the good ones:

YES on 1A: Prohibits state from raiding local Gov't tax revenue
YES on 59: Public access to Government Meetings
YES on 60: Right to have your Party on the General Election Ballot
YES on 64: Ends predatory lawsuits


14 posted on 10/17/2004 11:12:00 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Jimbaugh
62 is a scam !!! It will destroy what is remaining of the Republican party in California.

I was listening to Assemblyman John Campbell (R) on a Hugh Hewitt replay this morning. He himself said yes on 62 and no on 60. I have a lot of respect for his integrity, so I'm going to factor his opinion in when I consider these measures.

15 posted on 10/17/2004 11:45:40 AM PDT by John Jorsett (Kerry-Edwards: FORGING AHEAD)
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To: So Cal Rocket

bttt


16 posted on 10/17/2004 11:50:22 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: John Jorsett

I believe you are mischaracterizing what John Campbell said. He says vote YES no 60, NO on 62,


17 posted on 10/17/2004 11:54:39 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: So Cal Rocket
I believe you are mischaracterizing what John Campbell said. He says vote YES no 60, NO on 62

Hmmm. I was listening carefully and wrote them down, so I thought I had it right. However, I just went to his "picks" on his web site and see you're right. Either Campbell spoke incorrectly or my ears failed me. Perhaps early senility is setting in. I hope it's for him and not me.

18 posted on 10/17/2004 12:09:49 PM PDT by John Jorsett (Kerry-Edwards: FORGING AHEAD)
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To: NormsRevenge
Restore democracy to California. Vote yes on Proposition 62 - and vote no on Proposition 60.

It doesn't surprise me to be exactly opposite the LA Daily News.

My vote:

Yes on 60
No on 62

19 posted on 10/17/2004 1:59:12 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Jimbaugh

Hey buddy .. how are ya!

You are so right about 62. And we need a YES on 60 and a NO on 60A.


20 posted on 10/17/2004 4:49:58 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Election 2004: This election is for the SOUL OF AMERICA)
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