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Where Was Atlantis? Sundaland Fits The Bill, Surely!
Graham Hancock ^ | unknown | Dr Sunil Prasannan

Posted on 10/29/2004 5:18:02 PM PDT by blam

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To: S0122017
Or one of the other 10000+ highly advanced super civilisations filled with picture perfect uber humans

One needn't have to believe the comic book version in order to think it likely that there was relatively advanced civilization in many parts of the world, and that it might reach back much farther than previously advertised.

The idea of Atlantis being a well civilized region, even one of many such places lost to history (so far) isn't really all that much of a stretch.

41 posted on 05/09/2006 7:43:53 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: zot

Ping.


42 posted on 05/09/2006 7:47:05 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Ramius; blam; SunkenCiv
One needn't have to believe the comic book version in order to think it likely that there was relatively advanced civilization in many parts of the world, and that it might reach back much farther than previously advertised. The idea of Atlantis being a well civilized region, even one of many such places lost to history (so far) isn't really all that much of a stretch.

No ofcourse not!

Surely there where many cultures. Why, i am myself part of a culture or two. And im sure there where plenty of ways for a culture to go down.

But Atlantis, Mu, Altland, Lemuria, Shangri-La, Agartha, Hyperborea, Kumari Kandam, Lyonesse, Ogygia, Shambhala, Thule, El Dorado, Tir-Na-Nog and any other 'lost place', whether it existed or not, has nothing to do anymore with archaelogy.

Rather, it is like an art-project where everyone can freely fantasize and post it on the internet and get people enthusiastic for their new angle on "that place/culture/race in a galaxy/time far away", and then that angle is added to the huge compendium which accompanies such concepts as Atlantis.

That then get's posted on yet another site, sucking even more people into it's dark hole of truths, half-truths and out right lies and turning them into members of the club. As such believers are good little minions, they go run around telling people about the great truth which they uncovered, infecting even more people with their conjurings.

Like some sort of thought-virus it spreads turning normal functional people into crystal piramid worshipping new agers, who then infect ever more people ever faster.

For sure, if so many people believe it, it may actually be true right? Right? Or.. not? Could it be that the amount of evidence required to constitute a fact is independent of the number of people that actually believe it?

The answer is: yes. It is indeed independent.

Atlantis and co. stories are just like Wikipedia! Without the monitoring. Or the facts. But it sure fills up an afternoon with glorious conjurings of a fantasy world as even Tolkien or Lovecraft dared not imagine. Atlantis is the most elaborate art-project at the moment, and it's creators dont even realize it.
43 posted on 05/09/2006 8:34:40 AM PDT by S0122017
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To: S0122017

All true.

But just because it's been made into an "art project" (apt description, imho) doesn't mean that it didn't actually exist, albeit in a somewhat more reasonable form than the art project version.


44 posted on 05/09/2006 8:47:20 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: blam
I'm reading Underworld right now -- outstanding, fun read. He's pretty careful not to say, "This is all true". Instead, he's just got a defensable thesis -- "There were great superfloods that wiped out vast areas of land where people lived". And now he's out there looking into any evidence he can find that would tell us anything at all about these people.

His chapters about the 'Rig Veda' from that part of the world is very, very intruiging. His theory about the reality behind the 'Shiva and the Mountain Dragon' myth seems to me to be very plausible.

Personally, I wonder more if 'Sundaland' wasn't "Kumari Kandam".

45 posted on 05/09/2006 8:58:33 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Ramius

If reasonable means without the spaceships, Uber-people and healing energy crystals then i agree, in theory.
Although the real place might hardly be recognizable as the myth version.

If you know about the small jungle village which, most likely, inspired El Dorado myth, you know what i am talking about.


46 posted on 05/09/2006 8:58:56 AM PDT by S0122017
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To: S0122017; Ramius
But just because it's been made into an "art project" (apt description, imho) doesn't mean that it didn't actually exist, albeit in a somewhat more reasonable form than the art project version.

Exactly -- the nature of 'legends based on fact' in the past has followed this same pattern.

People take a story and 'embellish' it, especially when the true details fade from memory.

47 posted on 05/09/2006 9:00:57 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: S0122017

Yes, without the spaceships, Uber-people, and healing energy crystals. Mostly.

But I think we also risk making a mistake by underestimating the technological gains that might have been made -- or just barely missed -- by those civilizations. I suspect that there were some discoveries made thousands of years ago that either were lost, or barely missed some essential connection with another discovery that might have meant a technological or industrial revolution far earlier than ours.

I would submit that the things lost in the various burnings of the library at Alexandria would have amazed us were we to find them hidden today. I would bet that we would be very surprised at what they knew or what things might have been known if only they'd put a few different ideas together.

It's tantalizing, but of course, imponderable.


48 posted on 05/09/2006 9:10:55 AM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

They would not have had appliances working on electricity, as some people think. not counting those clay battery thingies with their 0.02 volt of course.

Many may have had concrete or cement, simple chemical processes in order to produce colourings, handy tricks to work metal very finely, etc.

But i am interested in thought, philosophy, society, organization.

You need some basic level of technology in order to develop new technology. However, you can come to amazing conclusions just by observation alone. They may have had superior methods for stone working or agricultural tricks which we could use, but I think ancient people should consider ideas as their greatest legacy.


49 posted on 05/09/2006 9:36:11 AM PDT by S0122017
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To: Interesting Times

This theory has Atlantis in the wrong ocean.

Plato's description is pretty clear, and points to the most likely location -- just about where the Azores are now.


50 posted on 05/09/2006 8:41:13 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: zot; All

Bump...


51 posted on 12/09/2006 7:43:34 PM PST by KevinDavis (Nancy you ignorant Slut!!!!!)
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To: blam

Sundaland ping


52 posted on 12/09/2006 11:31:22 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping. I think he makes his point that Sundaland was inhabited before the rising sea level flooded it at the end of the last ice age, but not that Sundaland was Atlantis.

According to Plato, the destruction of Atlantis was a tectonic event that happened in a day and a night. Perhaps it was like the event that formed the Tula Rosa basin in New Mexico, in which the top of a mountain range suddenly dropped at least 4000 feet.


53 posted on 12/10/2006 7:20:37 PM PST by zot (GWB -- the most slandered man of this decade)
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To: blam

very good!


54 posted on 08/19/2007 9:53:51 PM PDT by ken21 (28 yrs +2 families = banana republic junta. si.)
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To: zot
"According to Plato, the destruction of Atlantis was a tectonic event that happened in a day and a night. Perhaps it was like the event that formed the Tula Rosa basin in New Mexico, in which the top of a mountain range suddenly dropped at least 4000 feet."

The weight redistribution from the melting ice would have caused giagantic earthquakes, volcanos and tsunamis all over the world. The northern areas of the world are still slowly rising and some southern areas are subsiding because of the weight redistribution.

55 posted on 08/20/2007 4:34:14 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

I don’t know when the Tula Rosa Basin was formed, but weight redistribution could have been the mechanism. It was a large bulge (mountain range) that cracked north-south on both sides, the sides moved apart and the middle fell in. I was impressed at how far it fell. If that is what happened to Atlantis, it could now be under many thousands of feet of water.


56 posted on 08/20/2007 1:36:29 PM PDT by zot
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To: mad_as_he$$

Indeed?

They put it in hibernation to protect it from the Wraith.


57 posted on 08/20/2007 1:43:26 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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Yup Wriath. Sorry snakehead fixation syndrom. Never got into SG Atlantis - but at least they got rid of Ford. It is somewhat watchable now. Dude, three year old post?


58 posted on 08/20/2007 7:50:56 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

ken21 seems to have started it up again. I didn’t even notice until now!


59 posted on 08/20/2007 7:59:01 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: blam

Although most of the ancient Greek stories were at least partially based on fact, such as the Iliad and Odyssey, I think Atlantis is totally fictional.

First of all, it has only one source. Second there are too many contradictions and impossibilities.

The only place which even remotely is close to the story is Crete. They really did war with Athens, and they really were advanced at an early date, although not as early as the supposed time of Atlantis.

Basically the story is an interesting piece of fiction.


60 posted on 08/20/2007 8:11:44 PM PDT by yarddog (`)
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