Election Day: Rigged Polls, Rigged Networks

Men's News Daily ^ | 9 November 2004 | Nicholas Stix

[mrustow]

This has been a trend now for the last decade with the media: They continue to call Democrat states early in the evening, while they hold back on Republican states. They do this despite the fact that many times, the margin of victory is closer in the Dem states, than in the GOP states. As this piece mentions....we didn't have this problem with Exit Polls until Republicans started winning.

Yup. One time could be a fluke, but three times in a row ...?

[mrustow]

Bumpbackatcha!

[mrustow]

Republican Free Republic Web site.

Conservative, not Republican. There's certainly a difference.

I'd love to debate the issue with you, but then I'd get banned.

[xzins]

Since I got married, I've NEVER been right

Probably why you became a conservative.....just so you could be right.

[mrustow]

The unfortunate thing about the collusion between MSM and the Kerry campaign is that I don't think there will be anything done about it. Republicans (Bush) won and people are so tired they have moved on to their regular lives.

I hope there is an investigation and something is done but I am not holding my breath.

I'm afraid you're right. After all, if the Bush brothers didn't take any action against massive, felony, election fraud in Florida in 2000, why would they do anything now against something much more legally ambiguous?

[mrustow]

Since I got married, I've NEVER been right

Probably why you became a conservative.....just so you could be right.

Thanks for making me laugh out loud for the first time today!

[Texas Songwriter]

Why should not these people be thrown in jail. What they attempted to do is overthrown the legitimately elected government of the United States by lawlessness, chicanery, and deceit. Conspiracy to defraud the citizens of the U.S. by unlawful means. I am as serious as I can be.

[mrustow]

Here's a crazy idea...eliminate exit polls.

It'll never happen. The same people who supported unconstitutional "campaign finance reform," would scream bloody murder about their precious First Amendment rights. However, you could investigate them -- but as another FReeper said above, don't hold your breath.

[xzins]

LOL!

This is the one week celebration of the BUSH VICTORY!

It's a Happy Feet Day!

[mrustow]

Why should not these people be thrown in jail. What they attempted to do is overthrown the legitimately elected government of the United States by lawlessness, chicanery, and deceit. Conspiracy to defraud the citizens of the U.S. by unlawful means. I am as serious as I can be.

I appreciate your seriousness and agree with you, but please see #25 above. I just don't see George Bush doing what needs to be done. And down the road, when the GOP has a less attractive candidate and the Dems have a more attractive one, the Dems are going to steal a close election using this method.

[mrustow]

"...once Republicans started winning one election after another, the exit polls, old and new, either produced worthless numbers or crashed altogether..."

Well, here's something people have a gut smart about and have had for years. Personally, I never needed to have it spelled out for me so precisely, but it's nice to see that the verifiable facts bear out what your gut always told you.

That's why God gave us the Internet. (That, and to test our love for our wives and children.)

[mrustow]

Bumpbackatcha!

[showme_the_Glory]

Zogby, Soros, Moore, Mcaulif, irrelevant never were's......

[Zack Nguyen]

"According to at least three sources, one inside the Kerry campaign, and two outside of it, but with ties to senior Kerry advisers, some of the ‘early polling numbers’ were in fact direct reports from Kerry campaign or Democratic Party operatives on the ground in such critical states as Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, and Wisconsin. According to a Washington lobbyist with knowledge of the numbers, the numbers were packaged together so as to appear to be exit poll results. They were then scrubbed through several sources to land in the lap of sympathetic bloggers who these operatives believed would put the numbers up with little question.

If this is true, why didn't the Elite Media Group, who was performing exit polling for the major networks, disavow these bogus numbers? Why didn't they say, "Hey, these aren't our numbers. We don't know where they're coming from." Were they not aware?

[mrustow]

Europeans are already buying the cospiracy theory of stollen election for Bush.

Europeans are the perfect argument against the supposedly liberating effects of formal education. They were better educated than us in 1933, and they're better educated than us now. And yet, they're a bunch of gullible, weak-willed fools.

Notice also the media is not reporting the new WIDER popular vote margins.

It blew me away, when a FReeper posted new vote totals two days after Election Day showing Bush had gained an additional 1.1 million vote advantage. I thought, as did the Kerry people, that ALL of those late votes were supposed to veer left. There must be some trucks full of counterfeit voting machines and "provisional" ballots that never got to their destinations.

[Plutarch]

socialist mainstream media (SMSM)

I like it! SMSM describes it exactly.

[mrustow]

I don't know if this is a rumor or not but I heard that some liberals like DU were watching different polls waiting for the exit pollsters. When they spotted one being used they called others to come over. They would go in the election section and come out to be interviewed. It's almost believable since they swamp all media polls this past year with false votes. Another observation that I made and probably others did too... People had weeks to vote early and they were not polled. These were most likely the people that someone else mentioned on here that were voting against all kinds of things.. gay marriage, abortion, etc. So they voted for Bush. A lot of the people who might have turned out on election day were Democrat voters who knew in their media warped minds that there was no urgency. They'd just show up and Kerry would be elected. The rest of us were mad, upset and scared about a Kerry victory. I voted early just to get that out of my system.. with a vengeance especially against Edwards. I'm in N.C. I felt better voting early and I told others to do it for therapy. Just a thought. :-)

At this point that's just a rumor. I heard it just after Election Day as a hypothesis as to how the exit polls could have been so far off. But I don't think it's necessary to outrun the evidence. My hunch is that the pollsters did all the work.

[handy]

The critical moment came at 12:41 a.m. Wednesday, when, shortly after Florida had been painted red for Mr. Bush, Fox News declared that Ohio - and, very likely, the presidency - was in Republican hands.

"Howard Wolfson, a strategist, burst into the 'boiler room' in Washington where the brain trust was huddled and said, 'we have 30 seconds' to stop the other networks from following suit.

I don't doubt this at all. Anyone who took statistics in college could so the same calculations Ed Bradley did on CBS. It was pathetic to see the MSM "news" people not report the obvious "news" fact that Bush had won reelection.

[mrustow]

"According to at least three sources, one inside the Kerry campaign, and two outside of it, but with ties to senior Kerry advisers, some of the ‘early polling numbers’ were in fact direct reports from Kerry campaign or Democratic Party operatives on the ground in such critical states as Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, and Wisconsin. According to a Washington lobbyist with knowledge of the numbers, the numbers were packaged together so as to appear to be exit poll results. They were then scrubbed through several sources to land in the lap of sympathetic bloggers who these operatives believed would put the numbers up with little question.

If this is true, why didn't the Elite Media Group, who was performing exit polling for the major networks, disavow these bogus numbers? Why didn't they say, "Hey, these aren't our numbers. We don't know where they're coming from." Were they not aware?

Those are excellent questions that the rest of us would do well to keep repeating, louder and louder, since otherwise, the SMSM and the folks at Elite will simply "move on."

[monday]

""If we go back in history to prior presidential elections, those exit polls were dead on. Something has changed to make them less dead on."

This is an easy one. Historically there were a greater number of housewives who voted early. Now many more women work, and there are a far greater number of unemployed who vote early. Unemployed tend to vote Democrat where housewives were split more evenly. Unless employment status is taken into account, early voter poll samples will continue to favor Democrats.