Groupthink and You

Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | 08/29/01 | Karen De Coster and Brad Edmonds

[ScottM1968]

Uh, I hate to say this, but you are sorely mistaken.

Peggy Noonan completely agrees with what my understanding is and always has been of the Bay of Pigs.

I have no idea what made you think otherwise from my post. I called it (multiple times) a "fiasco" as did Ms. Noonan.

What about the word "fiasco" do you not understand?

Perhaps you need to clean your contacts, Revolting.

[blackeagle]

bump

[NMC EXP]

I work at Caterpillar

Small world. Which facility?

[Revolting cat!]

No one stood up to Kennedy about doing this rather bizarre thing.

This was the provocation. Who says the Bay of Pigs idea, because in the contect you're referring to the idea or the plan, was a "bizarre thing"? Why?

Was the liberation of Grenada a "bizarre thing"? Invasion of Panama? (The last one was, I think.)

[ScottM1968]

"The Bay of Pigs invasion was badly planned, poorly executed and almost wildly unrealistic. (Months before it began former secretary of state Dean Acheson told JFK, in a private Rose Garden conversation, that you didn’t need Price Waterhouse to figure out 1,500 guerillas aren’t going to beat 25,000 Cuban regulars.)"

The above was in the short paragraph you quoted Peggy as having said.

I didn't have knowledge of her words until you posted them, Revolting! I called it "bizarre". She called it "wildly unrealistic". In this context, it is the same.

Get over it.

[Forgiven_Sinner]

Building PPK for T&SD in Peoria.

[KC_for_Freedom]

It is our contention that group projects are criminal in themselves and should be abolished on moral grounds, in that they function as collectivist indoctrination. Like government schools, group projects homogenize thought and neuter high achievers.

In this the author is correct. This mindset is very common in public high schools. High achiever does the text, middle achiever does the poster board, low achiever does the art work and another low achiever films the group in action.

And what is learned? that everyone gets the same grade, and that school work can be a social project. And this is promoted in each grade and in each subject.

[gitmo]

I went to team-building once. The next time they scheduled team-building, I told my boss I was planning on being out sick that week. Team building is destructive and counter-productive.

[July 4th]

As much as I dislike being a lawyer right now, individualism is one thing that the law firm has got going for it. There's really no such thing as working in a group. Sure, you might have several lawyers working on a case, but they've all got their individual parts that need to be accomplished to the best of their ability, or they'll be singled out for poor performance individually. Most of time time, you're working on your own.

[NMC EXP]

Building PPK for T&SD in Peoria.

Pioneer Park...I know it well.

Given my opinion of SS I hope you understand that I won't be disclosing details about myself.

[NMC EXP]

I agree. They start this group work nonsense in 1st grade. There is nothing inherently wrong with team work, it has its proper place but the first thing a person must learn is to stand on his own hind legs and get the most from himself.

[jonestown]

Groupthink is endemic in our society bump.