Posted on 12/26/2004 2:12:39 PM PST by protest1
Anthony Flew has been led to theism by science. That is the the significance of one mans life long advocacy for atheism morphing into theism. He "followed the science" where it led him.
Sure would be a good Christmas present, eh?
Yeah...
Ain't it GREAT?!?!
The Hebrew word for fool in this scripture from the OT implies a form of insanity. Ergo, those who agree with God are more sane.
The best.
I know that "appeal to authority" is used as an excuse not to listen to expert testimony at times- and at times rightly so. Still, is this not evidence that there must be SOMETHING to the intelligent design arguments? Flew is perhaps the world's best known debating athiest. I've a book of his debate with Warren on my shelf. He gave Dawkins a chance to rip the ID arguments and Dawk could not close the deal.
Spetner is not a biologist or geneticist. Biologists and geneticists find his models laughably inappropriate, his casual attitude to what is known of the relationships between genes appalling.
Still, is this not evidence that there must be SOMETHING to the intelligent design arguments?
No. Come back when you have something that survives serious scrutiny.
Flew is perhaps the world's best known debating athiest.
And he still accepts evolution. Now he's not an atheist. Neither is Junior. Neither am I, exactly, although you guys are pushing me closer every day.
Now I have to look and see what appeal to authority you were even talking about.
Flew currently holds a position known as deism -- the belief that God created the universe but is not actively involved in people's lives today, Habermas said. Because deism is traditionally a "tenuous" position, Flew could move closer to traditional Christianity in the days ahead, he said.As an official agnostic, I say nobody's an authority in this area. You can appeal to Flew all you want.
Flew was not a scientist. He may have had some fanciful interpretion of science -- misinterpretation, more likely. But the scientific method per se eschews faith as a valid means of cognition, i.e. recognising reality. I find it interesting (and revealing) that Flew AFAIK has not addressed the issue of faith in his new world-view.
Intelligeant Design proponents puzzle me. Thousands of species have gone extinct over the millennia. Entire galaxies have collided destructively. There are continually earthquakes and other natural calamities. The planet Earth evidently was designed not too intelligently. Not to mention homo sapiens with all his defects and vestigial organs.
Interesting read...I had Gary Habermas as a professor for a few classes in college (at Liberty). He was always interesting; I learned a lot in those classes.
Never said he was. He's a philosopher with a keen interest in science, specifically the origin of life.
You certainly don't mean to say that only scientists can be led somewhere through science, do you?
I believe in creation but if you were able to create matter, time and space ex nihilo in the lab, I'd have to seriously reconsider my beliefs.
That's what Jesus did, and that is Jesus in us doing the same.
Praying for Flew to embrace the Resurrection, and "fly" into the arms of Jesus.
Tie a knot and hang on!
Surely this motley bunch of christians that don't agree with you and the world view of Evolution, cannot shake your faith.....
There is some kind of perverse logic at work here.
Ah, so this is about science proving theism. Gotcha. What exactly was this science Flew found indicated the existence of God?
Banned --
We DO make a big deal of it; considering when a person here realizes, through God's guidance and grace, his need for salvation... and accepts Christ -- all the angels in Heaven rejoice! So -- why shouldn't we, who are here now, rejoice when someone begins to see the light?
I would be just as happy if YOU were to see your need for Christ. If you'd like, I'd be happy to speak with you about Him.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Neal
Nobody's a REAL agnostic unless he thinks NOBODY knows the answers.
How odd and almost haunting that must've been to witness.
Maybe the lethal heart rhythm sent a last adrenoline like fight or flight reflex through his body as it's last gasp at life.
How did you know he was an athiest? Did he tell you this during his last days?
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