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Atheist's turn toward God was a 4-year process, friend says
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=19780 ^ | Dec 22, 2004 | David Roach

Posted on 12/26/2004 2:12:39 PM PST by protest1

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To: LibertarianInExile

Anthony Flew has been led to theism by science. That is the the significance of one mans life long advocacy for atheism morphing into theism. He "followed the science" where it led him.


21 posted on 12/26/2004 4:31:18 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: anniegetyourgun

Sure would be a good Christmas present, eh?


22 posted on 12/26/2004 4:34:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: bannedfromdu

Yeah...


Ain't it GREAT?!?!


23 posted on 12/26/2004 4:38:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: bannedfromdu
"The fool has said in his heart there is no God." - God

The Hebrew word for fool in this scripture from the OT implies a form of insanity. Ergo, those who agree with God are more sane.

24 posted on 12/26/2004 4:58:50 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Elsie

The best.


25 posted on 12/26/2004 4:59:08 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: protest1
I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. The Devil himself couldn't have designed a religion with more power to turn a person away from God. It's been a long crawl back from atheism for me. God bless anyone who can do it. It isn't easy.
26 posted on 12/26/2004 5:02:11 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: VadeRetro

I know that "appeal to authority" is used as an excuse not to listen to expert testimony at times- and at times rightly so. Still, is this not evidence that there must be SOMETHING to the intelligent design arguments? Flew is perhaps the world's best known debating athiest. I've a book of his debate with Warren on my shelf. He gave Dawkins a chance to rip the ID arguments and Dawk could not close the deal.


27 posted on 12/26/2004 5:05:15 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Ahban
I know that "appeal to authority" is used as an excuse not to listen to expert testimony at times- and at times rightly so.

Spetner is not a biologist or geneticist. Biologists and geneticists find his models laughably inappropriate, his casual attitude to what is known of the relationships between genes appalling.

Still, is this not evidence that there must be SOMETHING to the intelligent design arguments?

No. Come back when you have something that survives serious scrutiny.

Flew is perhaps the world's best known debating athiest.

And he still accepts evolution. Now he's not an atheist. Neither is Junior. Neither am I, exactly, although you guys are pushing me closer every day.

28 posted on 12/26/2004 5:11:08 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ahban
Don't bother to ask me who Spetner is. You caught be going hot and heavy on another thread (appeal to authority was part of it) and I thought you were chiming in THERE.

Now I have to look and see what appeal to authority you were even talking about.

29 posted on 12/26/2004 5:12:50 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ahban
OK, got it.

Flew currently holds a position known as deism -- the belief that God created the universe but is not actively involved in people's lives today, Habermas said. Because deism is traditionally a "tenuous" position, Flew could move closer to traditional Christianity in the days ahead, he said.
As an official agnostic, I say nobody's an authority in this area. You can appeal to Flew all you want.
30 posted on 12/26/2004 5:15:02 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: jwalsh07; LibertarianInExile
Anthony Flew has been led to theism by science.

Flew was not a scientist. He may have had some fanciful interpretion of science -- misinterpretation, more likely. But the scientific method per se eschews faith as a valid means of cognition, i.e. recognising reality. I find it interesting (and revealing) that Flew AFAIK has not addressed the issue of faith in his new world-view.

Intelligeant Design proponents puzzle me. Thousands of species have gone extinct over the millennia. Entire galaxies have collided destructively. There are continually earthquakes and other natural calamities. The planet Earth evidently was designed not too intelligently. Not to mention homo sapiens with all his defects and vestigial organs.

31 posted on 12/26/2004 5:39:28 PM PST by Nicholas Conradin (If you are not disquieted by "One nation under God," try "One nation under Allah.")
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To: protest1

Interesting read...I had Gary Habermas as a professor for a few classes in college (at Liberty). He was always interesting; I learned a lot in those classes.


32 posted on 12/26/2004 5:45:00 PM PST by xjcsa (Everything matters if anything matters at all...)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Flew was not a scientist.

Never said he was. He's a philosopher with a keen interest in science, specifically the origin of life.

You certainly don't mean to say that only scientists can be led somewhere through science, do you?

I believe in creation but if you were able to create matter, time and space ex nihilo in the lab, I'd have to seriously reconsider my beliefs.

33 posted on 12/26/2004 5:46:32 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: protest1
"I mean a genuine friendship where you're there for them in season and out of season. You're there for them when they're having bad days. You can tell them things that are on your mind. ... It's not connected to whether the people convert or not."

That's what Jesus did, and that is Jesus in us doing the same.

Praying for Flew to embrace the Resurrection, and "fly" into the arms of Jesus.

34 posted on 12/26/2004 6:01:45 PM PST by mombonn ( íViva Bush/Cheney! Dukakis and Kerry are the matching bookends of the Bush era.)
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To: VadeRetro
....although you guys are pushing me closer every day.

Tie a knot and hang on!

Surely this motley bunch of christians that don't agree with you and the world view of Evolution, cannot shake your faith.....

35 posted on 12/26/2004 6:10:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: VadeRetro
As an official agnostic, I say nobody's an authority in this area.

There is some kind of perverse logic at work here.

36 posted on 12/26/2004 6:12:15 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: jwalsh07

Ah, so this is about science proving theism. Gotcha. What exactly was this science Flew found indicated the existence of God?


37 posted on 12/26/2004 6:12:45 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: bannedfromdu

Banned --

We DO make a big deal of it; considering when a person here realizes, through God's guidance and grace, his need for salvation... and accepts Christ -- all the angels in Heaven rejoice! So -- why shouldn't we, who are here now, rejoice when someone begins to see the light?

I would be just as happy if YOU were to see your need for Christ. If you'd like, I'd be happy to speak with you about Him.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Neal


38 posted on 12/26/2004 6:43:50 PM PST by HossB86
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To: Elsie
There is some kind of perverse logic at work here.

Nobody's a REAL agnostic unless he thinks NOBODY knows the answers.

39 posted on 12/26/2004 6:58:35 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: TASMANIANRED
When his heart flipped into a lethal rhythm, He sat up, opened his eyes and stared.

How odd and almost haunting that must've been to witness.

Maybe the lethal heart rhythm sent a last adrenoline like fight or flight reflex through his body as it's last gasp at life.

How did you know he was an athiest? Did he tell you this during his last days?

40 posted on 12/26/2004 6:59:39 PM PST by SunnyUsa
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