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X deaths does not equal Y deaths if factor Z is present or does it?
Recent Disasters and everyday killing by choice | January 1, 2004 | Vanity

Posted on 12/31/2004 9:46:11 PM PST by topher

What is more brutual -- 200,000 totally innocent lives lost in man made killings by the choice of individuals or Mother Nature kill 117,000 people in Asia.

Of course, I am talking about 200,000 abortions in the former case -- the taking of a human life by other human beings.

In the latter case, the 117,000 people in Asia, I am referring to the events of December 26th 2004 because of an earthquake plus a tsunami.

Every human life should be important to us. But we will all die.

Someone tailgating on the interstate at 80MPH 10 feet behind another car is a very dangerous act that may result in many lives being lost -- and lives being risked to try to save lives lost. All because someone does not want to drive safely.

So why, in the human equation, is it okay that other human beings take lives -- car accidents, abortion, murder, and people doing incredibly stupid things.

But then when Mother Nature comes along with Hurricane Charly or the earthquake/tsunami of Dec 26th 2004, we must have special feelings for this loss.

Why should abortion be considered okay?

Why should repeat drunk drivers be allowed to drive?

Why should governments that treat human life as cheap [China et al] be tolerated as okay?

Why should be abuse of women by some religions and some societies be considered okay?

Should not it be the case to say that abortion is really unborn baby killing, and that anti-aborts are really pro-life people?

And then there are the penguins. Twice in the past few weeks have people been concerned with these birds. First, it was a giant iceberg. Then it was an earthquake North of Antartica near Australia and New Zealand.

The answer is clear -- there is a double standard.

When people kill people, that is to be accepted. When some horrific natural disaster occurs, then it is considered unacceptable.

But a tornado killing a dozen people in Nebraska should be the same for us as a bus crashing into water because of a drunk driver and 17 people killed.

People should have a right to mourn for any of the above cases. I mourn daily for the unborn. Those insensitve to my mourning and trying to end the slaughter are insentive to my feelings.

I mourn daily for children/women trapped in situations that makes them a slave and vulnerable to sexual diseases that will kill them. I also work to end this as well.

Basically, some things make human life cheap -- especially making animal rights greater than human rights.

We all must be sensitive to mourning. We must be sensitive to all forms of loss of human life.

It can be a man made tragedy of horrific proportions such as what has been going on for several years now in Zimbabwe or it can be a natural disaster such as Hurricane Charly.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; animalrights; carbombings; drunkdriving; genocide; manmadekilling; mothernature; selfdefense; starvation
It is my belief that many people have their hearts and minds geared to what the MSM wants them to believe -- a car bomb in Mosul or baby seals dying in California.

But when huge losses of life -- abortion and starvation in other countries -- are ignored because of numbness or ignornance, maybe we are missing the bigger picture.

1 posted on 12/31/2004 9:46:12 PM PST by topher
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To: topher

Brilliant analogy, and sadly so true.


2 posted on 12/31/2004 9:48:13 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: ladyinred
Brilliant analogy, and sadly so true.

Just something that has been bothering me -- may God give you wonderful gifts for you and your family for 2005!

3 posted on 12/31/2004 9:53:03 PM PST by topher (In God We Trust -- on the money of the US)
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To: topher

You forgot that by not allowing DDT to be used the wackos are killing millions from malaria each year.


4 posted on 12/31/2004 9:53:48 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: topher

bttt


5 posted on 12/31/2004 9:54:42 PM PST by streetrepair
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To: topher
One group was killed.

The other group was murdered.

See the difference?

6 posted on 12/31/2004 9:55:35 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close and safe.)
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To: topher
One of the tougher things to deal with is self defense.

Some people, out of necessity, have taken other lives to protect lives. The guilt sometimes haunt these people.

But maybe that shows a person who is still sensitive to the loss of life, and wishing it could not be lost -- even that of an enemy.

7 posted on 12/31/2004 9:55:38 PM PST by topher (In God We Trust -- on the money of the US)
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To: topher

Thank you and to you and yours as well. Funny, I hadn't even thought of this until I read your post I am ashamed to say.


8 posted on 12/31/2004 9:56:59 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: topher

I'm too wasted to read all of that but it is now marked for reading tomorrow. :=)


9 posted on 12/31/2004 9:58:15 PM PST by KoRn
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To: ladyinred
I am ashamed to say.

I am in a very deep, contemplative mood -- you should not be ashamed.

God is an important part of my life. The more I talk to God, the more God seems to listen. [Prayer = talking to God]

10 posted on 12/31/2004 10:02:01 PM PST by topher (In God We Trust -- on the money of the US)
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To: topher

The New York PD dropped their "Stakeout Squad" Program, not b/c it didn't work, but b/c they were losing too many good cops, after they killed people. Killing affects you, even when the people you kill are human filth...


11 posted on 12/31/2004 10:02:46 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: airborne
If your meaning was that accidental should precede the word kill and that the word murder implies that was someone was intentionally killed.

People with a military background normally have spent more time on this than I. Sometimes they have witnessed it or been involved in it.

I knew a military commander who said he lost 35 men on a paratroop drop just because the wind changed. That would make me think about it.

12 posted on 12/31/2004 10:07:00 PM PST by topher (In God We Trust -- on the money of the US)
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To: 185JHP
The New York PD dropped their "Stakeout Squad" Program, not b/c it didn't work, but b/c they were losing too many good cops, after they killed people.

A big city cop -- down South -- told me he was pursuing an informant that ran, and he was very mad.

If he opened up on an unarmed man, that would have been his career.

Also, by my beliefs, the informant might have gone to hell [which I consider to be such a terrible place, I do not want people to go to].

He emptied his gun at the guy in front of a store with a huge glass window. There was no way he could have missed with all the bullets the guy.

Not only did he miss the guy, they could not find a single bullet he fired.

I think the result was that he was not disciplined because they could not prove he fired his gun -- even though he told them that he did.

13 posted on 12/31/2004 10:11:55 PM PST by topher (In God We Trust -- on the money of the US)
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To: topher

BTTT


14 posted on 12/31/2004 10:12:09 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: topher

Hits on target decrease 50% under stress for the average shooter, but some people can do a lot better. Jim Cirillo during his duty with the Stakeout Squad put 2 bullets in each of three guys from a 6 shot Colt in a few seconds. Only one guy has been able to shoot that scenario that well, against a stopwatch. God controls the shots and the shooter.


15 posted on 12/31/2004 10:22:21 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: topher
Well, I guess I was being simplistic, so let me try to say it better, if I can.

People die. People die all the time.

It can be an act of God (or nature if you prefer). That's really not preventable. Accident

It could be an accident caused by human error, either by the victim or someone else. That, while preventable, is inevitable. ($h!t happens) Careless accident.

And then it may be a conscious, purposeful act, but one of self preservation. Murder? IMHO, not if it's "him or me".

Then there's pure, evil murder. Brought on by a hundred different motivations, but still one person killing another for reasons other than those stated above. Greed. Hate. Convenience.Murder.

It's a tough subject. But 'reasonable' people can usually agree. Or agree to disagree.

16 posted on 12/31/2004 10:24:22 PM PST by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close and safe.)
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To: topher

FIERCELY ENRAGED because his fickle followers failed to remove the heads from at least 20,000 infidels in 2004, Allah uses ocean waters to fiercely p!ss on 200,000 Muzzle-em misfits who failed to follow the Koran !!!

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

Allah Akbar = God Is Good ... Yeah, Sure, Whatever !!!


17 posted on 12/31/2004 11:11:42 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: topher
What of 1M+ in Rwanda?

Hows about 2M+ in Sudan?

Then there's 2M+ in North Korea?

If one must prioritize among evils, I recommend total body count as the measure.

1M+ U.S. abortions / year is definitely in the running. Let's keep an eye on total death inflicted, and judge accordingly.

18 posted on 12/31/2004 11:55:22 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: Brad Cloven
Numbers are important -- 1 million or just one person.

The easiest response is the story of a young woman who is knifed in New York City in the 1960's and 34 witnesses did nothing -- not call the police, or anything, as she lay dying for a number of hours.

That was the case of only one person. But to me that one person is as important another person -- being killed somehow.

The numbers are important, but I wish to stay sensitive to the one person who dies horribly [by deliberate act of whatever].

19 posted on 01/01/2005 12:07:13 AM PST by topher (In God We Trust -- on the money of the US)
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